2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[efcste97]

I think we play a certain way for Dom mate. Its something i think we should move on from - we shouldn't be giving him the ball to flick on to one - but if we dont what good is he. Lets be honest we have had to make the best of what we have. Last season our best chances came from pounding balls into the box - this also playing to his strengths. So we have lads now now who can slip the balls through, ball at feet, hes bothered about 7 of those chances in the box this season. Isolation is not getting chances.

The idea that our current play style is built around DCL's strengths doesn’t seem accurate to me. Under Ancelotti, we actually played to his strengths with more dynamic outlets going forward, and it worked well when we had a fit 11.

Whenever Beto has played, the play style has stayed pretty much the same; there’s no real shift to suit the striker. When Broja gets his chance, I’d bet we’ll still be playing long balls up to him in the same way.

 

[Toffeelover]

This narrative that we don’t have options really gives me the irrits.

Your line up shows we do, and other players like lindstrom, Beto, Patterson, not even in the starting line up getting 5 mins off the bench here and there, when the starters are stinking the gaff out.

According to dyche we’ve got zero options, so he has to play the usual suspects continually, even when they are supposedly carrying a knock like Tarks (shame we’ve got a young cb who has just played a full season in the French top flight and had a decent preseason with us sitting on his arse getting splinters isn’t it?) - it’s just bad management.

Just to see something different when the starting plan is clearly not working would be a refreshing change, but his game management, squad management and subs will cost us more points than it wins us.

Dyche is the zero option.

 

[TraffordBlue]

The problem Dyche has is that he doesn't seem to be able to (or want to) adapt to a new situation. The club should no longer be content with just finishing 14th or 15th and avoiding relegation. In previous seasons that was acceptable but there is no reason why we shouldn't be aiming to be towards the top of the bottom half, well away from relegation and even looking to get near the top half again.

We saw a similar thing with Allardyce where after he got us some good results initially, a few months in with no threat of relegation he continued to have us approach winnable games cautiously and negatively.

The fans wont accept that beyond the short term and neither will new owners. Feel like the clock is ticking for him.

 

[Neiler]

The idea that our current play style is built around DCL's strengths doesn’t seem accurate to me. Under Ancelotti, we actually played to his strengths with more dynamic outlets going forward, and it worked well when we had a fit 11.

Whenever Beto has played, the play style has stayed pretty much the same; there’s no real shift to suit the striker. When Broja gets his chance, I’d bet we’ll still be playing long balls up to him in the same way.

Id score 15 in the league mate, with Jamo, Sigurdsson and Richarlison behind me and all i had to do was hatch in the box. Its proved the anomaly before and since to draw any other conclusion, he also butchered loads that season to. When those three fell apart that season so did Doms output.

There is no other way of bringing Dom into the game - then what we are doing - they are his strengths - build up play and outlet - its certainly not finishing - the team have set him up with about 7 chances to slot this season were he had to either beat the keeper or place it and he's fluffed it - 10/10 PL starting PL forwards i think finish a higher %. I dont see how the system is the problem when he's butchering created chances he should score.

Its not good enough and he's not going to improve, he is what he is.

We need to move on from him.

 

[12ubb3rduck3y]

The problem Dyche has is that he doesn't seem to be able to (or want to) adapt to a new situation. The club should no longer be content with just finishing 14th or 15th and avoiding relegation. In previous seasons that was acceptable but there is no reason why we shouldn't be aiming to be towards the top of the bottom half, well away from relegation and even looking to get near the top half again.

We saw a similar thing with Allardyce where after he got us some good results initially, a few months in with no threat of relegation he continued to have us approach winnable games cautiously and negatively.

The fans wont accept that beyond the short term and neither will new owners. Feel like the clock is ticking for him.

Is the squad actually any better on paper than the ones that finished 15-20th

 

[Neiler]

Is the squad actually any better on paper than the ones that finished 15-20th

I think it is - whatever about investment and the club being a manure show, the squad is better then it was when he walked in the door - he himself deserves credit for that.

On the opposite side, i think incremental progress this season is 10-12th - i think he has to achieve that if he's to be in the conversation as a candidate going forward.

That said the clubs ambition is 15th - personally id be disappointed with that.

 

[jazzy]

So, with ten Hag sacked I'm guessing that Dyche will be up there with Southgate on the United shortlist.

 

[Kendal]

So, with ten Hag sacked I'm guessing that Dyche will be up there with Southgate on the United shortlist.

Bloody hope so

 

[TraffordBlue]

Is the squad actually any better on paper than the ones that finished 15-20th

I'd say so. He got us the 12th most points last season and that was without Ndiaye.

No reason why we shouldn't be aiming for that or 11th this season but it currently feels like we are more likely to end up 14th to 16th and Dyche would view that as a success.

 

[Neiler]

So, with ten Hag sacked I'm guessing that Dyche will be up there with Southgate on the United shortlist.

McKenna id say, be a big pull for him.

 

[NathDogg]

So, with ten Hag sacked I'm guessing that Dyche will be up there with Southgate on the United shortlist.

We can only hope and dream, but I fear if Dyche is on any list it’s a long one not a short one.

Won’t suppose he’s got a clause in his contract like Don Carlo had does he…

 

[jazzy]

We can only hope and dream, but I fear if Dyche is on any list it’s a long one not a short one.

Won’t suppose he’s got a clause in his contract like Don Carlo had does he…

He may not have a clause but surely Everton wouldn't stand in his way if the mighty United came calling.

Hell I'd even reduce the compo claim to £2.5 million

 

[Lob]

Suspect he might have a rather long holiday when his time at Everton is ended, that is unless Real Madrid come knocking.

 

[efcste97]

Id score 15 in the league mate, with Jamo, Sigurdsson and Richarlison behind me and all i had to do was hatch in the box. Its proved the anomaly before and since to draw any other conclusion, he also butchered loads that season to. When those three fell apart that season so did Doms output.

There is no other way of bringing Dom into the game - then what we are doing - they are his strengths - build up play and outlet - its certainly not finishing - the team have set him up with about 7 chances to slot this season were he had to either beat the keeper or place it and he's fluffed it - 10/10 PL starting PL forwards i think finish a higher %. I dont see how the system is the problem when he's butchering created chances he should score.

Its not good enough and he's not going to improve, he is what he is.

We need to move on from him.

Ya wouldn't

 

[Saint Domingo]

So, with ten Hag sacked I'm guessing that Dyche will be up there with Southgate on the United shortlist.

I know this is a humorous take so I’m genuinely not having a go at you mate

Just for a second can we also consider though: Ten Hag was the ‘progressive’ manager in Europe at the time, schooled under Guardiola at Bayern his Ajax team was total football with young players going all the way to the CL semi final that they really should have won.

He goes to United and with a squad already stacked full of good players he falls out with Sancho, spends 100s of millions on new players some of which he now doesn’t even rate himself and need to be moved on, and has taken them from top 4 gradually down season on season

Now if we’d fired Dyche after his first few months as some wanted, and we showed our ‘ambition’ and got Ten Hag in (let’s pretend for a second he didn’t go to United and was available) and he did the same job here taking us backward in league placing every season, we’d have gone down, chaos would have ensued and then the points deductions would have hit and we’d have gone.

It just shows that sometimes it’s horses for courses. I believe Dyche has been the right horse for this course and hopefully soon this course will be at an end and it will be about finding the right manager who can move us from mid table back to pushing for Europe.

Ten Hag is a cautionary tale though that not all ‘progressive’ managers in continental leagues can cut it in the PL. We’ll be in a much better position to take a gamble on one once Friedkin have taken over but I still maintain that the last 18 months was not the time to roll the dice on a gamble. The upside was minimal and the downside was the end of the club as a top flight entity. Thankfully we’re moving away from this perilous position now.