2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Lanolin]

So what you are saying is that, big hard mentality monster Sean Dyche wouldn't take Doucoure off in fear of what sort of reaction it would get?

Nope, i'm saying you'd be cryarsing no matter what he did and pretending otherwise is disingenuous. We both know that if he'd done what you're suggesting the narrative would be that he'd settled for a point and was being ultra negative by bringing on another defender, but because he didn't do that we're instead going to pretend that doing that would actually have been an attacking move that any decent manager would have made. It's just daft. It's fine to say the football is crap and our form isn't good enough so I want him gone, but all this microanalysing of everything and bringing every single thing back to being the manager's fault is just boring and childish.

 

[Lanolin]

Really pathetic when you put it out like that. But some in here thinking that’s the limit of what we should expect

It's not pathetic really though is it? It's a bit disappointing, but it's not pathetic.

 

[Nymzee]

Circle jerk city in here.

 

[Raino85]

2 points from Fulham at home, Southampton and West Ham away, is unacceptable.

I'd argue it is acceptable in context.

The context though is a defeat at home to Bournemouth being 2-0 up with minutes to go
A draw away to a sloppy Leicester side


8 points from 18 available against lower half opposition Bournemouth (12th), Palace (18th) at home & Southampton (20th), Leicester (15th), West Ham (14th), Ipswich (17th) isn't acceptable.

i think 3-4 more points from those fixtures would of easily kept the wolves at bay, but he hasn't done it, and with Dyche being his ever so predictable self, i see it as only a matter of time until the harder fixtures show that not managing to get more points in this period will get him the axe.

So why not just do it now?

 

[Toffeepot]

So why not just do it now?

It's an easy thing to put on the long finger pre-takeover for everyone with the power to do so

 

[Marius57]

Out of curiosity
Put all the 'did what he was asked' stuff aside for a moment if you don't mind?
Do any of the Dyche in crowd enjoy watching us play? Is it something you look forward to?

Good luck getting any sort of straight answer to that.

Dodge duck dip dive and dive.

 

[mikel_88]

We definitely are already sucked in. Ipswich are now 2 points behind us so sadly we do have to be concerned about them. I think with December’s fixtures we left ourselves needing to pick up 6 points from West Ham and Brentford to stay on track for over 35 points, so we’re back playing catch up again now.

A failure to beat Brentford should result in his sacking tbh, he’s had his chances to ease the pressure in the last few weeks and he has blown it. 2 points from Fulham at home, Southampton and West Ham away, is unacceptable.

I'd argue it is acceptable in context.

The context though is a defeat at home to Bournemouth being 2-0 up with minutes to go
A draw away to a sloppy Leicester side


8 points from 18 available against lower half opposition Bournemouth (12th), Palace (18th) at home & Southampton (20th), Leicester (15th), West Ham (14th), Ipswich (17th) isn't acceptable.

i think 3-4 more points from those fixtures would of easily kept the wolves at bay, but he hasn't done it, and with Dyche being his ever so predictable self, i see it as only a matter of time until the harder fixtures show that not managing to get more points in this period will get him the axe.

So why not just do it now?

Stuff like this puts this season into the details nand one win away from going in to the bottom 3. Agree wuth everything said about him that has been a disgrace this start to the season. Someway apart from everton fans he is not getting oulled on it. Is so lucky thwt moshiri does not care at all about the first team and just wants the sale done now is why still here

 

[John from Bootle]

Good luck getting any sort of straight answer to that.

Dodge duck dip dive and dive.

Frank played prettier stuff. I'll give him that.

 

[mikel_88]

Out of curiosity
Put all the 'did what he was asked' stuff aside for a moment if you don't mind?
Do any of the Dyche in crowd enjoy watching us play? Is it something you look forward to?

Dont think is a dyche crowd i do think he keeps us safe this season. That is all i think he has from the fan base imo is for me, do i want him here after this season not a chance, be hard to find any fan in the league that would enjoy this style of football

 

[matty1878]

I'd argue it is acceptable in context.

The context though is a defeat at home to Bournemouth being 2-0 up with minutes to go
A draw away to a sloppy Leicester side


8 points from 18 available against lower half opposition Bournemouth (12th), Palace (18th) at home & Southampton (20th), Leicester (15th), West Ham (14th), Ipswich (17th) isn't acceptable.

i think 3-4 more points from those fixtures would of easily kept the wolves at bay, but he hasn't done it, and with Dyche being his ever so predictable self, i see it as only a matter of time until the harder fixtures show that not managing to get more points in this period will get him the axe.

So why not just do it now?

alll day

 

[mikel_88]

Frank played prettier stuff. I'll give him that.

was as bad imo had games we didnt even have a shot, think away from home dyche style for the team works more. But at home when you need to be the more positive team it dors not work

 

[Dixieslaces]

I’m convinced this was a product of the situation we were in. A desperate man has no negotiating power and that was Everton Jan 2023.

‘Please join us, we have 15 points from 20 games, are 19th in the table, we’ve just sold our best attacking player for 40 mill, you won’t get any of that for a replacement in January, we also have an injury crisis, and the immediate fixture list is horrendous with most of the easier home games already gone. If you don’t keep us up you’ll be remembered as the manager who took an institution down, and by the way if we go down it may well be the financial ruin of the club and put at risk any takeover and the new stadium which some fans will blame you for. Also most of the teams above us have better squads than we do. If you do manage to keep us up we have FFP problems galore probably meaning points deductions and you’ll be selling whatever decent players are left in the summer and turning a profit again. Bielsa has just turned us down but we do really really want you, now how much do you want to take on all of that?’

Had we hired Dyche at the beginning of that season there’s no doubt in my mind given our economic position that we would have ever offered him that. It was purely a desperation premium.

Desperation maybe? but we have a track record with Moshiri at awarding super salaries! Crazy scattergun approach to running a club!

 

[John from Bootle]

Dont think is a dyche crowd i do think he keeps us safe this season. That is all i think he has from the fan base imo is for me, do i want him here after this season not a chance, be hard to find any fan in the league that would enjoy this style of football

Don't say you don't want him gone before the end of the season mate. Some dullard will come along and tell you that you love Dyche, want him here forever, and tell you that you think all our players are league one players.

 

[Neiler]

Out of curiosity
Put all the 'did what he was asked' stuff aside for a moment if you don't mind?
Do any of the Dyche in crowd enjoy watching us play? Is it something you look forward to?

I love watching Everton play - always, it doesn't matter whether we are good or bad - in fact im prob more intense and passionate about it when we are bad. I get more excited about watching us as the week goes on as we get to Saturday, I've seen worse Everton sides then this and still be got excited about watching them. I absolutely hate this time the - two week break, really miss it.

I dont understand people who dont watch us because of "entertainment" - not judging them - but i just dont understand it.

 

[Lanolin]

Out of curiosity
Put all the 'did what he was asked' stuff aside for a moment if you don't mind?
Do any of the Dyche in crowd enjoy watching us play? Is it something you look forward to?

I think not wanting him literally burnt at the stake for failing to beat West Ham away makes me part of the 'dyche in' crowd from what I can work out on here so I'll answer. No I don't like the football we play generally. I doubt many people do, and I don't think many people are massive fans of Dyche either. My take on it is that it basically comes down to whether you think we should be doing much better with what we have or not. None of us really know the answer to that so it's all opinions. Mine is that we're a side I would expect to be in the mix for relegation whoever was managing us, and so my expectations are based around that. Other people see it differently, which is fine.