2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Nymzee]

It’s nearly as boring as the blinded by the hatred of Dyche posters who can’t even look at things subjectively.

Imagine dyche had gone two up top and we lost. He’d be crucified on here.

so many posters on here can’t accept that the answer to Everton’s problems isn’t one thing. It isn’t just the sacking the manager. It isn’t just playing Beto.

It’s why a few people on here hold multiple, often competing opinions, on things like Dyche. They might not like his football or want him long term but also accept the current situation might lend itself to him just being the best of a bad bunch until the summer.

You’re happy to call me on the video games comment. Fair. But you reply to most posts that give any sort of rationale for an opinion that isn’t Anti-Dyche with comments like ‘so you never want to win a football match’. It’s tiresome.

"Imagine Dyche had tried to win a game and lost, he'd have been crucified on here" is what I'm reading there.

 

[John from Bootle]

If i did see he was gone once the takeover was done would have no problem with it if was getting the first choice manager TFG want. Players aint great but to say this is the best they can play with well creating even keeping hold of the ball i will never accept that becuase whatever we think of them have alot of experience internationals ect. Would be shocked if anyone wants him here long term

I have absolutely no doubt that there's other managers out there who could get us playing what is deemed to be more attractive football. I also have no doubts that there's other managers who would make us more attacking and score more goals. The concerns for me would be how many more goals that would actually get us, whether it would mean conceding more, and how that could affect affect results.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Ah I see, another "can't make a point so resort to talking about video games" poster.

“Stick to FIFA lad” is one of the lamer comebacks when someone is flailing in a football debate

I’m sure I’ve done it in the past like, but one matures

 

[smileychap]

Think back to Everton 3-2 Crystal Palace.

Imagine being told that Everton would have to sell key players like Richarlison and Gordon, and be forced to turn a profit every transfer window for years. The only club in the league facing that reality (and Wolves, to a lesser extent).

Or rewind to Everton 1-0 Bournemouth.

Then picture being told Everton would endure successive point deductions— including a 10-point hit in November—and remain in ownership limbo for years.

No one would give us a prayer given the years endured prior.

Most fans would snap hands off just to remain a Premier League club.

You certainly wouldn’t think you'd be pointing fingers solely at the manager.

Is Dyche beyond criticism? Not at all. You’d be hard-pressed to find a fan advocating for a new contract for him.

But let’s allow context.

I'm regularly seeing stuff like;

"This is all on Dyche. We're in a relegation scrap because of Dyche. We shouldn't need to spend money" - Behave.

The club needs dragging over the line again, but get there this season - at least now we know new owners and Bramley Moore as a Premier League team offers hope.

"When we have new owners and capable of making a managerial change, we need a more progressive manager who'll help rebuild the club" - Sound.

We were prime Leeds/Sunderland if we went down.

+ Norwich, Saints, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton. Who once left the Prem stayed gone for a while and and very nearly bankrupt too.

The difference is Everton are in supporter terms still a big club. Not on the global metric of say RS or Man UTD - but in terms of weekly crowd roughly on par with Spurs, City, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and even Arsenal , Chelsea, once we're in BMD. That's a lot of cash annually.

And THAT's the double edged sword of BK and Mosh's failure - those clubs are now pretty much the top 10 ish where we were fairly regularly under Moyes. BK & Mosh spent roughly around 60% of the big boys before the impact of failure set in. They took on the required job to rebuild, got hit with COvid and the ensuing costs of construction and recruitment became SO short term meant we were leap-frogged by Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton with younger, CEO's with a clear and sustainable set of mgt principles.

Dyche has led the team through all of that successfully. But the lack of cutting edge from wings and full backs into DCL and Beto is very and painfully obvious

 

[derek duvall]

It’s nearly as boring as the blinded by the hatred of Dyche posters who can’t even look at things subjectively.

Imagine dyche had gone two up top and we lost. He’d be crucified on here.

so many posters on here can’t accept that the answer to Everton’s problems isn’t one thing. It isn’t just the sacking the manager. It isn’t just playing Beto.

It’s why a few people on here hold multiple, often competing opinions, on things like Dyche. They might not like his football or want him long term but also accept the current situation might lend itself to him just being the best of a bad bunch until the summer.

You’re happy to call me on the video games comment. Fair. But you reply to most posts that give any sort of rationale for an opinion that isn’t Anti-Dyche with comments like ‘so you never want to win a football match’. It’s tiresome.

Pickford saved him so let’s not pretend Dyche got it right for ‘not going for it’.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

+ Norwich, Saints, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton. Who once left the Prem stayed gone for a while and and very nearly bankrupt too.

The difference is Everton are in supporter terms still a big club. Not on the global metric of say RS or Man UTD - but in terms of weekly crowd roughly on par with Spurs, City, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and even Arsenal , Chelsea, once we're in BMD. That's a lot of cash annually.

And THAT's double edged sword of BK and Mosh's failure - those clubs are now pretty much the top 10 ish where we were fairly regularly under Moyes. BK & Mosh spent roughly around 60% of the big boys before the impact of failure set in. They took on the required job to rebuild, got hit with COvid and the ensuing costs of construction and recruitment became SO short term meant we were leap-frogged by Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton with younger, CEO's with a clear and sustainable set of mgt principles.

Dyche has led the team through all of that successfully. But the lack of cutting edge from wings and full backs into DCL and Beto is very and painfully obvious

Well summarised.

 

[mikel_88]

I have absolutely no doubt that there's other managers out there who could get us playing what is deemed to be more attractive football. I also have no doubts that there's other managers who would make us more attacking and score more goals. The concerns for me would be how many more goals that would actually get us, whether it would mean conceding more, and how that could affect affect results.

Yeah why i think hopefully can get us safe then leave giving us time in the summer to plan for a new manager style ect get it done in time so a new man can come in and work with team and not rushing

 

[derek duvall]

I’ve been effectively trying to make this point for a while.

The squad is really, really bad. The manager is also probably not doing as well as he could do. Those two things can be happening at the same time….

Dyche isn’t the answer long term, may not even be short term but I don’t know how much more anyone is getting out of this squad of players. It’s really, really bad.

So multiple managers in the premier league can get a tune out of average players but Dyche can’t and the players are bad and it’s their fault?

 

[Bedfordblue]

Sean Dyche wears his skiddies for 8 days in a row.

 

[Harryflashman]

We should have won the Southampton match, think we were a bit unlucky in front of goal.

West Ham, we played well in the defensive and midfield thirds, but created very little in the final (despite our advantage in possession). I don't think Saturday's draw is down to finishing, it's down to generating very little in attack.

I mean that is sort of a broad brush stroke of what I said , I probably used dominate wrongly in my initial reply post but my intention was to say we were probably the better side in both games .

I think finishing is a factor in both games , probably more so in Southampton but we had a couple of decent chances at West Ham including one stand out .

My point is , similarly to yours , is that finishing played a factor in both results but the set up and tactics throughout the game played a much bigger one .

 

[Raino85]

It’s nearly as boring as the blinded by the hatred of Dyche posters who can’t even look at things subjectively.

Imagine dyche had gone two up top and we lost. He’d be crucified on here.

so many posters on here can’t accept that the answer to Everton’s problems isn’t one thing. It isn’t just the sacking the manager. It isn’t just playing Beto.

It’s why a few people on here hold multiple, often competing opinions, on things like Dyche. They might not like his football or want him long term but also accept the current situation might lend itself to him just being the best of a bad bunch until the summer.

You’re happy to call me on the video games comment. Fair. But you reply to most posts that give any sort of rationale for an opinion that isn’t Anti-Dyche with comments like ‘so you never want to win a football match’. It’s tiresome.

So how have Forest massively improved in a short space of time?

 

[SuperKev91]

So multiple managers in the premier league can get a tune out of average players but Dyche can’t and the players are bad and it’s their fault?

Nope, read the post.

 

[SuperKev91]

So how have Forest massively improved in a short space of time?

Miles better players than us.

 

[pfim]

So how have Forest massively improved in a short space of time?

I don't know if they have or haven't, but I'd wait more than 11 matches before making that statement. They've had a few good results, they've also beaten up on the bottom of the table (which obviously has its own merits).

 

[murphy89]

So how have Forest massively improved in a short space of time?

Forest will eventually tumble down the league a bit and finish mid table.

However, they’ve also spent a [Poor language removed] load of money in the last 3 years…