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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

JLW said:
I hate this Everton as much as I hated the Benitez Everton!

This fella thinks we are Burnley and he’s turning us into them.

The day can’t come quick enough when he is being volleyed from this club.

I would say 18 out of the 20 managers in this league have us comfortably 9th-11th right now with fixtures we’ve had
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We should be higher, I agree.

The thing is though, we had a nightmare start. If we were going to sack him, and be our most critical about him, then that was the time to do it. Since that opening 4, we've lost 1. That tells me that the players were still on side at that point. No way we pull out of that run of form if the players had completely had it with him by that point.

He was under massive pressure going in to that Palace game, and arguably half out the door by half time, but since then he's bought himself some time. It's still ticking though, and it's a big one for him, and us, next. Let's all hope for a win ay!
 
MikeH72 said:
Has someone suggested we can finish much better than 11th? I’ve missed quite a bit in this thread over the last day so it’s possible someone has. Most people seem to be suggesting we can do much better than the relegation battle we currently look to be heading for.
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Lanolin said:
Not directly as far as I know, but I think that's quite clear from the post you've quoted isn't it?
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I said we should be 8th - 12th for the simple facts that:

1: Our defence looked solid
2: The players would be used to the manager
3: Another CB was signed who I expected to be 3rd choice
4: We strengthened midfield and wide positions
5: I didnt expect Chermiti to be injured (high hopes) nor DCL and Beto to be so goal shy

The main thing was the defence...simply a draw a game (Dycheball) would probably get us to 16th and throw a few wins in the mix and we'd be 10th ish based upon other teams like West Ham dropping down (I dont rate their manager or most of their squad)
 
Seeing this from Phil McNulty on the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager
www.bbc.co.uk

Phil answered: There is certainly a growing frustration from Everton fans at the style of football being played under Sean Dyche, although I do think it was a case of needs must last season. He did a good job getting Everton to safety. It was not about style at that point - it was about safety.

This season, however, has been really tough to watch and results have been poor as well. The return of 10 points from their first 11 games is well below what would have been expected given those fixtures and they now have a tough run coming up.

I do not think Everton, given that a new ownership is in the process of being confirmed, will consider changing managers unless it really becomes a dire emergency.

I am sorry to say this to you, but ambitions this season must be limited to staying up before going into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, which offers the opportunity of a fresh start and reset under American billionaire Dan Friedkin after years of crisis and chaos.

What galls me is this bit underlined. This is not Phil or even Dyche, this is the club. It's the idea put out that this season is just about getting to BM in the PL.

You know Dyche came in after Lampard he did a job, he was always going to stay in charge it was never like Allardyche Allardcye just as a 6 month thing. And as Phil said needs must last season he did a good job getting Everton to safety. It should not be lost on anyone that after a poor start last season we also went just under 4 months without a win. Sackable for any other manager at any other club. Bar Everton. Dyche gets to stay because he did his job in trying circumstances.
Also because there's no one really at the club to make decisions.

He should have taken Everton on this season and if that is a lie, a misconception, even given the way we finished last season, perhaps take a look at other clubs around Everton last season up to mid table. Forest for example. It isn't happening because Dyche isn't that kind of progressive manager and it suits him to keep us down amongst the bottom teams so he can flex his muscles and say he saved us again. When it shouldn't really be like that. Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.
 
Zatara said:
I said we should be 8th - 12th for the simple facts that:

1: Our defence looked solid
2: The players would be used to the manager
3: Another CB was signed who I expected to be 3rd choice
4: We strengthened midfield and wide positions
5: I didnt expect Chermiti to be injured (high hopes) nor DCL and Beto to be so goal shy

The main thing was the defence...simply a draw a game (Dycheball) would probably get us to 16th and throw a few wins in the mix and we'd be 10th ish based upon other teams like West Ham dropping down (I dont rate their manager or most of their squad)
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I think saying we should be around 8th is proper madness to be honest. That's where we were finishing when we were chucking money around all over the place, higher than we were finishing with Ancelotti, James, Digne, Richarlison etc. I honestly can't get my head round people looking at this squad and thinking it should be in the top half.
 
Davideeyore said:
Seeing this from Phil McNulty on the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager
www.bbc.co.uk

Phil answered: There is certainly a growing frustration from Everton fans at the style of football being played under Sean Dyche, although I do think it was a case of needs must last season. He did a good job getting Everton to safety. It was not about style at that point - it was about safety.

This season, however, has been really tough to watch and results have been poor as well. The return of 10 points from their first 11 games is well below what would have been expected given those fixtures and they now have a tough run coming up.

I do not think Everton, given that a new ownership is in the process of being confirmed, will consider changing managers unless it really becomes a dire emergency.

I am sorry to say this to you, but ambitions this season must be limited to staying up before going into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, which offers the opportunity of a fresh start and reset under American billionaire Dan Friedkin after years of crisis and chaos.

What galls me is this bit underlined. This is not Phil or even Dyche, this is the club. It's the idea put out that this season is just about getting to BM in the PL.

You know Dyche came in after Lampard he did a job, he was always going to stay in charge it was never like Allardyche Allardcye just as a 6 month thing. And as Phil said needs must last season he did a good job getting Everton to safety. It should not be lost on anyone that after a poor start last season we also went just under 4 months without a win. Sackable for any other manager at any other club. Bar Everton. Dyche gets to stay because he did his job in trying circumstances.
Also because there's no one really at the club to make decisions.

He should have taken Everton on this season and if that is a lie, a misconception, even given the way we finished last season, perhaps take a look at other clubs around Everton last season up to mid table. Forest for example. It isn't happening because Dyche isn't that kind of progressive manager and it suits him to keep us down amongst the bottom teams so he can flex his muscles and say he saved us again. When it shouldn't really be like that. Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.
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What makes you think that's anything other than the journalists words and opinion?
 

Davideeyore said:
Seeing this from Phil McNulty on the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager
www.bbc.co.uk

Phil answered: There is certainly a growing frustration from Everton fans at the style of football being played under Sean Dyche, although I do think it was a case of needs must last season. He did a good job getting Everton to safety. It was not about style at that point - it was about safety.

This season, however, has been really tough to watch and results have been poor as well. The return of 10 points from their first 11 games is well below what would have been expected given those fixtures and they now have a tough run coming up.

I do not think Everton, given that a new ownership is in the process of being confirmed, will consider changing managers unless it really becomes a dire emergency.

I am sorry to say this to you, but ambitions this season must be limited to staying up before going into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, which offers the opportunity of a fresh start and reset under American billionaire Dan Friedkin after years of crisis and chaos.

What galls me is this bit underlined. This is not Phil or even Dyche, this is the club. It's the idea put out that this season is just about getting to BM in the PL.

You know Dyche came in after Lampard he did a job, he was always going to stay in charge it was never like Allardyche Allardcye just as a 6 month thing. And as Phil said needs must last season he did a good job getting Everton to safety. It should not be lost on anyone that after a poor start last season we also went just under 4 months without a win. Sackable for any other manager at any other club. Bar Everton. Dyche gets to stay because he did his job in trying circumstances.
Also because there's no one really at the club to make decisions.

He should have taken Everton on this season and if that is a lie, a misconception, even given the way we finished last season, perhaps take a look at other clubs around Everton last season up to mid table. Forest for example. It isn't happening because Dyche isn't that kind of progressive manager and it suits him to keep us down amongst the bottom teams so he can flex his muscles and say he saved us again. When it shouldn't really be like that. Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.
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Well, that's long been my opinion too.

It was most peoples opinion on here, in both the expectation thread/poll and our end of season survey too.

Most expected 13th-17th - there's very small margins there.
 
Davideeyore said:
Seeing this from Phil McNulty on the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager
www.bbc.co.uk

Phil answered: There is certainly a growing frustration from Everton fans at the style of football being played under Sean Dyche, although I do think it was a case of needs must last season. He did a good job getting Everton to safety. It was not about style at that point - it was about safety.

This season, however, has been really tough to watch and results have been poor as well. The return of 10 points from their first 11 games is well below what would have been expected given those fixtures and they now have a tough run coming up.

I do not think Everton, given that a new ownership is in the process of being confirmed, will consider changing managers unless it really becomes a dire emergency.

I am sorry to say this to you, but ambitions this season must be limited to staying up before going into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, which offers the opportunity of a fresh start and reset under American billionaire Dan Friedkin after years of crisis and chaos.

What galls me is this bit underlined. This is not Phil or even Dyche, this is the club. It's the idea put out that this season is just about getting to BM in the PL.

You know Dyche came in after Lampard he did a job, he was always going to stay in charge it was never like Allardyche Allardcye just as a 6 month thing. And as Phil said needs must last season he did a good job getting Everton to safety. It should not be lost on anyone that after a poor start last season we also went just under 4 months without a win. Sackable for any other manager at any other club. Bar Everton. Dyche gets to stay because he did his job in trying circumstances.
Also because there's no one really at the club to make decisions.

He should have taken Everton on this season and if that is a lie, a misconception, even given the way we finished last season, perhaps take a look at other clubs around Everton last season up to mid table. Forest for example. It isn't happening because Dyche isn't that kind of progressive manager and it suits him to keep us down amongst the bottom teams so he can flex his muscles and say he saved us again. When it shouldn't really be like that. Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.
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A sickening read. Who has made the decision on behalf of all of us that the ceiling of our ambition this season is “just staying up” after accumulating 48 points last season? McNulty is a client journo for the club, and seeing as we have no board or owner, I can only assume this has been fed to him by Dyche’s camp, as he basically runs the club.

He is toxic. Infected the players and fanbase with a toxic defeatist mentality, where we must believe we’re underdogs in every game and just have to hang on and stay in games, and now briefing the media to put that message out to the rest of the football world. He’s a parasite, get him out right now.
 
Davideeyore said:
Seeing this from Phil McNulty on the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager
www.bbc.co.uk

Phil answered: There is certainly a growing frustration from Everton fans at the style of football being played under Sean Dyche, although I do think it was a case of needs must last season. He did a good job getting Everton to safety. It was not about style at that point - it was about safety.

This season, however, has been really tough to watch and results have been poor as well. The return of 10 points from their first 11 games is well below what would have been expected given those fixtures and they now have a tough run coming up.

I do not think Everton, given that a new ownership is in the process of being confirmed, will consider changing managers unless it really becomes a dire emergency.

I am sorry to say this to you, but ambitions this season must be limited to staying up before going into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, which offers the opportunity of a fresh start and reset under American billionaire Dan Friedkin after years of crisis and chaos.

What galls me is this bit underlined. This is not Phil or even Dyche, this is the club. It's the idea put out that this season is just about getting to BM in the PL.

You know Dyche came in after Lampard he did a job, he was always going to stay in charge it was never like Allardyche Allardcye just as a 6 month thing. And as Phil said needs must last season he did a good job getting Everton to safety. It should not be lost on anyone that after a poor start last season we also went just under 4 months without a win. Sackable for any other manager at any other club. Bar Everton. Dyche gets to stay because he did his job in trying circumstances.
Also because there's no one really at the club to make decisions.

He should have taken Everton on this season and if that is a lie, a misconception, even given the way we finished last season, perhaps take a look at other clubs around Everton last season up to mid table. Forest for example. It isn't happening because Dyche isn't that kind of progressive manager and it suits him to keep us down amongst the bottom teams so he can flex his muscles and say he saved us again. When it shouldn't really be like that. Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.
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I feel you mate. We may as well not even exist if we have no aims of growth or wanting to be better. It is the very definition of rock bottom which is where they brought us to and is the main reason why the new ownership is so important. The entire philosophy will change as soon as they are in. We will become not just a football club again but Everton again no matter how bumpy the road ahead is. Just the fact that we have aims and ambitions of wanting to be better will be enough for me to start supporting them properly again.

We are basically in stasis and going nowhere until that day arrives.
 
MikeH72 said:
A sickening read. Who has made the decision on behalf of all of us that the ceiling of our ambition this season is “just staying up” after accumulating 48 points last season? McNulty is a client journo for the club, and seeing as we have no board or owner, I can only assume this has been fed to him by Dyche’s camp, as he basically runs the club.

He is toxic. Infected the players and fanbase with a toxic defeatist mentality, where we must believe we’re underdogs in every game and just have to hang on and stay in games, and now briefing the media to put that message out to the rest of the football world. He’s a parasite, get him out right now.
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The fella in your avatar has dictated it mate.
 
Lob said:
I feel you mate. We may as well not even exist if we have no aims of growth or wanting to be better. It is the very definition of rock bottom which is where they brought us to and is the main reason why the new ownership is so important. The entire philosophy will change as soon as they are in. We will become not just a football club again but Everton again no matter how bumpy the road ahead is. Just the fact that we have aims and ambitions of wanting to be better will be enough for me to start supporting them properly again.

We are basically in stasis and going nowhere until that day arrives.
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Lets hope so.

But let's not credit them until it's done.

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MikeH72 said:
I understand that but I keep getting told he checked out years ago and has nothing to do with anything anymore. I’m not sure he’s still chatting to Phil McNulty.
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I mean the fella in your avatar has dictated what is the reasonable objective this season.

Most of us, even @Davideeyore in June said Dyche deserved this season.

He deserved it - why? Because he kept our heads afloat in difficult circumstances.

Them circumstances haven't changed have they?

I'll bore you again but before Dyche;

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We've not spent a bean - since Dyche we're below even Brighton in this;

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^ Are always going to be in a scrap - 13th-17th and it's small margins.

As McNulty says, as been discussed to death on here - nobody is sacking Dyche now. And new owners won't give him a new deal.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
I mean the fella in your avatar has dictated what is the reasonable objective this season.

Most of us, even @Davideeyore in June said Dyche deserved this season.

He deserved it - why? Because he kept our heads afloat in difficult circumstances.

Them circumstances haven't changed have they?

I'll bore you again but before Dyche;

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We've not spent a bean - since Dyche we're below even Brighton in this;

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^ Are always going to be in a scrap - 13th-17th and it's small margins.

As McNulty says, as been discussed to death on here - nobody is sacking Dyche now. And new owners won't give him a new deal.
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Sorry why are we getting graphs and screenshots of before Dyche again?
 

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