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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

MikeH72 said:
Has someone suggested we can finish much better than 11th? I’ve missed quite a bit in this thread over the last day so it’s possible someone has. Most people seem to be suggesting we can do much better than the relegation battle we currently look to be heading for.
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Not directly as far as I know, but I think that's quite clear from the post you've quoted isn't it?
 
Lanolin said:
No not at all, some people are insistent that everything Dyche is doing is wrong and 'horribly mismanaged' is a bit more than 'not really getting the best out of' isn't it? It suggests that things could be vastly better if were even just looking at a normal manager, so yes I think by default the suggestion there is that we could do much better than finishing 11th if we weren't horribly mismanaging players, it's hard to come to any other conclusion really. I think we have forward players which - with the exception of one season for DCL about 5 years ago - have no real record of scoring or assisting in this league or the top level in general. I don't believe that Beto, Harrison, Lindstrom etc have been brought in because they're exactly what we want and they fit the profile we're looking for, I think they've been brought in because their clubs didn't want paying for them. I don't think it's particularly difficult to understand that a side which has been recruited with a proper plan in mind is likely to be better than a ragtag assortment of players who you can get on the drip even if the difference in quality of individuals isn't that big.

In terms of your last point, it's pretty obviously both.
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I think we should be around 10th to 15th in the league by the end of the season, pushing for the upper echelon of that group because of our position last season but also because of the level of the sides around us and what this group is capable of at their best. I don't think performances this season have been up to that standard and the squad is better than the results and performances have shown.
 
ToffeeScot said:
I think we should be around 10th to 15th in the league by the end of the season, pushing for the upper echelon of that group because of our position last season but also because of the level of the sides around us and what this group is capable of at their best. I don't think performances this season have been up to that standard and the squad is better than the results and performances have shown.
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I think that's broadly fair. Personally I have us a bit worse than that but in the same ballpark. I think 10th really is about the very best this group of players could possibly achieve, I think finishing top half would genuinely be an achievement and mean that Dyche had done a legitimately good job here whether we like the football or not. I'd have 13th down as about par myself, but obviously the margins can be tight in both directions and a difference of just a few points could be a number of places in the table. I would agree that we're probably slightly down on where you'd hope/expect at this point, although for me it's evidently not by as much as it is for some people because the idea of sacking someone for being 2/3 points under where you'd expect seems utterly mental.
 
Lanolin said:
I think that's broadly fair. Personally I have us a bit worse than that but in the same ballpark. I think 10th really is about the very best this group of players could possibly achieve, I think finishing top half would genuinely be an achievement and mean that Dyche had done a legitimately good job here whether we like the football or not. I'd have 13th down as about par myself, but obviously the margins can be tight in both directions and a difference of just a few points could be a number of places in the table. I would agree that we're probably slightly down on where you'd hope/expect at this point, although for me it's evidently not by as much as it is for some people because the idea of sacking someone for being 2/3 points under where you'd expect seems utterly mental.
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I think this is broadly fair. Will be interesting to see how we would play if Broja starts. Dcl is hopeless and needs to be put in the reserves/sold.
 
HappyJack said:
I think this is broadly fair. Will be interesting to see how we would play if Broja starts. Dcl is hopeless and needs to be put in the reserves/sold.
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So Broja is the new hope as the player who can possibly make Dyche’s appalling ‘tactics’ vaguely palatable and effective.?
Depends on whether he is comfortable being stuck up front , isolated and chasing long balls I
suppose.
On Saturday we actually had more possession than we have had for a long while yet patently had next to no idea what to do with it .
 

MikeH72 said:
Has someone suggested we can finish much better than 11th? I’ve missed quite a bit in this thread over the last day so it’s possible someone has. Most people seem to be suggesting we can do much better than the relegation battle we currently look to be heading for.
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Having the 11th highest wage bill (23rd in Europe) and sixth-best paid manager doesn't entitle you to much these days.
 
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NathDogg said:
It’s not just about using all 5 subs, though I really don’t understand why teams don’t do it more often, especially teams like ours who are without the ball for so much of the match and have ran themselves legless chasing shadows.

Wham had made their changes so didn’t need to use the 5th, as they were well on top in the game and the more likely to win, which they would have if Pickford hadn’t pulled off his heroics.

It’s not just about throwing more legs on whenever, it’s about game management to halt the oppositions momentum, about being proactive or even reacting to what your eyes are telling you, when many of our players are dead on their feet and breathing out of their arses, that’s what is totally frustrating with dyche.

He’s got pre planned subs and won’t deviate, same as his tactics, pathetic.

Our keeper was screaming at our bench for subs again at the weekend, it’s just embarrassing, and again we nearly threw the point away when we could have got all 3 with better game management.
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As I said in the post you're quoting mate, I'm not saying he couldn't or shouldn't use more. What I will say though is, there's plenty of evidence to show managers won't make changes just for the sake of it. Pep scraping a 1-0 win and only using 2 subs the other week. That's despite the fact his players are dropping like flies, and with their fixture schedule, we all know he'd ideally like to be giving some players a breather. I guess on that day he was more concerned with getting the three points.

I also don't think you'll see many managers often using all 5 subs with a large portion of the match to go. Twas the same when it was 3 subs. Managers generally don't like the risk of using up their last sub, because you're running the risk of going down to 10 men if somebody gets injured. They might do it occasionally, if they're chasing a game, but an early triple substitution was not a common sight, and that's why. It will be the same with 5 subs. Where the 5 sub rule does mainly change things, is that now you can make an early triple sub, and still have a couple in your back pocket.
 
Saint Domingo said:
We’ll see where Forest are at the end of the season, and then see how many points they’ve improved by. Maybe we can then se how much net spend each point improvement cost them, then perhaps we can sell their best midfielder in the summer and see if Nuno ‘improves the players and moves them forward’ again. Thats effectively the comparison with Dyche. Some managers have a decent run of a few games in this league and some on GOT have their pants down for them straight away.

How are De Zerbi, Lage, Potter, Hassnhuttl, Vieira, Rodgers, Selles, Bielsa, Marsch, Wagner etc. doing in the prem these days?
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We've got shouts for Ruud now I believe 😂

Don't get me wrong, he might be a great coach, he might go on and be a good manager, but I still wouldn't go near him with a barge-pole for this job, currently. Far too risky.
 
Eggsyblueskin said:
So Broja is the new hope as the player who can possibly make Dyche’s appalling ‘tactics’ vaguely palatable and effective.?
Depends on whether he is comfortable being stuck up front , isolated and chasing long balls I
suppose.
On Saturday we actually had more possession than we have had for a long while yet patently had next to no idea what to do with it .
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No im just sayin will be interrsting to see Broja. Doubt will be much difference with Dychey….
 

MikeH72 said:
You see for me, Dyche is risky, as he has a track record of relegations.
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I think that Burnley team was always destined to struggle, in my opinion of course.

People underestimate the job he did there. They were among the favourites for relegation from the Championship when he took over, and he got them promoted to the PL in his first full season. They only got relegated with 2 games to go in that first season back, so I'm not sure anybody can be too critical of that particular relegation.

His last season gives grounds for concern, but again, it's Burnley. I agree though, it's definitely a valid critique, and not one I'm gonna argue against.

He did great work at Burnley in the main. He was even heavily involved in a decision that saw him receive a smaller transfer budget than he could have had, in order to build their Barnfield training centre. I'm sure they're still thankful today.
 
I hate this Everton as much as I hated the Benitez Everton!

This fella thinks we are Burnley and he’s turning us into them.

The day can’t come quick enough when he is being volleyed from this club.

I would say 18 out of the 20 managers in this league have us comfortably 9th-11th right now with fixtures we’ve had
 
JLW said:
I hate this Everton as much as I hated the Benitez Everton!

This fella thinks we are Burnley and he’s turning us into them.

The day can’t come quick enough when he is being volleyed from this club.

I would say 18 out of the 20 managers in this league have us comfortably 9th-11th right now with fixtures we’ve had
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You think 90% of managers would COMFORTABLY have us on 18 points, 1 point off 3rd? Us? Everton? This squad? Really?
 

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