2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[windymiller]

Not relevant to Dyche, or anywhere really but just found this by accident from a seafch and thought it pretty much summed up how bad we've been for a very long time.

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If you keep spending huge sums of money on poor managers we're unlikely to get any better either. I'd be keen to see a graph on managerial spend in the same timeframes of your other graphs. I imagine we'll be very near the top of the league there, despite our managers being Koeman, Ancelotti (the obvious outlier in the list), Benitez, Lampard and Dyche. The amount of money we've laid out for mediocrity or worse in that department is truly shameful (we were almost certainly still shelling out for Silva, Allardyce and Martinez in that timeframe, too). Who knows, we might have been able to spend some of that money on improving our net spend placing.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

If you keep spending huge sums of money on poor managers we're unlikely to get any better either. I'd be keen to see a graph on managerial spend in the same timeframes of your other graphs. I imagine we'll be very near the top of the league there, despite our managers being Koeman, Ancelotti (the obvious outlier in the list), Benitez, Lampard and Dyche. The amount of money we've laid out for mediocrity or worse in that department is truly shameful (we were almost certainly still shelling out for Silva, Allardyce and Martinez in that timeframe, too). Who knows, we might have been able to spend some of that money on improving our net spend placing.

Probably best to make sure new owners can pick their manager, on their terms then eh.

Also best any owner doesn't react to the whims of fans too.

 

[twoblue]

I said we should be 8th - 12th for the simple facts that:

1: Our defence looked solid
2: The players would be used to the manager
3: Another CB was signed who I expected to be 3rd choice
4: We strengthened midfield and wide positions
5: I didnt expect Chermiti to be injured (high hopes) nor DCL and Beto to be so goal shy

The main thing was the defence...simply a draw a game (Dycheball) would probably get us to 16th and throw a few wins in the mix and we'd be 10th ish based upon other teams like West Ham dropping down (I dont rate their manager or most of their squad)

Last 6 games we are 10th in the form
League

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Probably best to make sure new owners can pick their manager, on their terms then eh.

Sack him now and give it Baines-eh

 

[windymiller]

Probably best to make sure new owners can pick their manager, on their terms then eh.

Also best any owner doesn't react to the whims of fans too.

Not sure what any of that has to do with what I posted, but ok, sure. Only a moron would disagree with the latter point. Circumstances may affect your first point, however.

 

[twoblue]

Probably best to make sure new owners can pick their manager, on their terms then eh.

Also best any owner doesn't react to the whims of fans too.

Alway a voice of reason got. Keep it up.

Mob rule leads to reactive decisions. It’s like rioters burning down their cities because they are sick of the the conditions.

See the season out, get new owners in, remove Dyche with a shake of the hand and move on.

 

[ChesterBlue]

I reckon we’ll hang onto him in the summer, as Pep’s contract runs out and we all know Pep wants to work with the generational talent which is Micheal Keane

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Not sure what any of that has to do with what I posted, but ok, sure. Only a moron would disagree with the latter point. Circumstances may affect your first point, however.

You said we've spent big sums on managers.

So I'm suggesting sacking another, in the months prior new ownership wouldn't help on that front.

Especially when a manager's contract is up in the summer anyway, and new owners seem imminent.

If we sacked Dyche in the summer, or last month - that's another pay off. Whoever come in, would then likely be sacked again under new owners.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.

Everton, even in better times, very rarely win two away games in a row in the PL. Dyche achieved that last year for the first time since 2013/14. 10 years. We've no entitlement to beat teams away just because we think highly of ourselves.

 

[windymiller]

I reckon we’ll hang onto him in the summer, as Pep’s contract runs out and we all know Pep wants to work with the generational talent which is Micheal Keane

Wouldn't really be much of an upgrade, getting Pep in, @Saint Domingo has been pointing out for a while that they're basically the same manager.

 

[Nymzee]

Not relevant to Dyche, or anywhere really but just found this by accident from a search and thought it pretty much summed up how bad we've been for a very long time.

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Isn't this basically just the Saints game?

 

[Swartzy]

I think we should be around 10th to 15th in the league by the end of the season, pushing for the upper echelon of that group because of our position last season but also because of the level of the sides around us and what this group is capable of at their best. I don't think performances this season have been up to that standard and the squad is better than the results and performances have shown.

Wish I had your positivity m8, have you seen December yet...

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Isn't this basically just the Saints game?

That's the point they're making I believe

 

[Nymzee]

That's the point they're making I believe

I don't remember Danny on here every day defending Benitez at the time.

 

[blueblue]

You said we've spent big sums on managers.

So I'm suggesting sacking another, in the months prior new ownership wouldn't help on that front.

Especially when a manager's contract is up in the summer anyway, and new owners seem imminent.

If we sacked Dyche in the summer, or last month - that's another pay off. Whoever come in, would then likely be sacked again under new owners.

Unless there is some clause in his contract which guarantees Sean Dyche a windfall payment if sacked before his contract expires then sacking him in the new year would not be hugely expensive. I doubt if this is the case btw.

There would at most be six months left of salary to pay and I could see him getting a job almost immediately as other struggling clubs would look at how he helped us avoid relegation.

A bigger challenge for us would be tempting the next manager(whoever that may be) in January and there possibly could be a large payout involved there.

In any event I am not at all convinced we will se the sweeping changes throughout the club that some want and expect. I think change may be more gradual.