2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Nymzee]

Well there's plenty of other examples there mate.

One tookover in the summer a team with better players, who'd just finished a season with 59 points.

The other come in January 30th with a team sat 19th like.

Nearly 2 years ago this Danny, move on.

Dyche has had a pre-season, with the vast majority of his squad, and been gifted 11 new players, mostly in attacking positions.

Not arguing Benitez inherited squad wasn't better, although marginally - laughable stats in his season for Gordon and Iwobi so please don't act like they were amazing. Plus he didn't have James Rodriguez whatsoever did he.

All I'm saying is back when you posted about that Norwich game you were not in his thread defending him. We have just lost to the below and all you can do is defend him because he had it tough almost 2 years ago and doesn't have Richarlison it seems.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I get that people are impatient, but time hasn't changed our circumstances. We're still broke with an absentee owner. Lack of funds, leadership, vision. Nothing changes until that changes.

Absolutely.

Patience is what it is, football fans aren't known for it.

To be fair to Dyche, at the end of both seasons he's been very clear the team needed to invest and spend otherwise will be in the same boat.

He got a lot of credit for his comments after Bournemouth. Nothing to celebrate, and work starts now to get away from that.

It didn't happen did it? We were 2 weeks out from starting the next season having signed Dajuma and Ashley Young.

He also talked about if no takeover, he's left juggling sand;

“We are sort of planning it anyway – myself, Kev [Kevin Thelwell, the director of football], staff and scouts – and are trying to plan for: ‘What if this happens? What if that happens?’ We are trying to keep an open mind but then you still go to your staples: the players we have got here, who is going to be here? It’s another juggling act of the club. Since I’ve been here it’s juggling sand.”

I've been on board with change manager shouts over the years, but we've in that much of a dire situation I don't think it'll have helped.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Nearly 2 years ago this Danny, move on.

Dyche has had a pre-season, with the vast majority of his squad, and been gifted 11 new players, mostly in attacking positions.

Not arguing Benitez inherited squad wasn't better, although marginally - laughable stats in his season for Gordon and Iwobi so please don't act like they were amazing. Plus he didn't have James Rodriguez whatsoever did he.

All I'm saying is back when you posted about that Norwich game you were not in his thread defending him. We have just lost to the below and all you can do is defend him because he had it tough almost 2 years ago and doesn't have Richarlison it seems.

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If you think Dyche and Benitez had the same challenges mate then I'll leave you with that. I've explained how the cards they had were miles away.

 

[pfim]

Absolutely.

Patience is what it is, football fans aren't known for it.

To be fair to Dyche, at the end of both seasons he's been very clear the team needed to invest and spend otherwise will be in the same boat.

He got a lot of credit for his comments after Bournemouth. Nothing to celebrate, and work starts now to get away from that.

It didn't happen did it? We were 2 weeks out from starting the next season having signed Dajuma and Ashley Young.

He also talked about if no takeover, he's left juggling sand;



I've been on board with change manager shouts over the years, but we've in that much of a dire situation I don't think it'll have helped.

Yeah, I mean, there's lack of patience and there's just ignoring the situation. It's tiring for everyone, but nothing has changed.

Dyche doesn't even need to speak to Moshiri to know that his remit is to keep us in the league. Nothing else matters to Moshiri. He doesn't care that the football is dire, that there's no future in this. Moshiri doesn't care the beyond when the wire hits his bank account from the new owners.

 

[Davideeyore]

Why did we expect anything other than a reset though? We didn't invest enough in the team did we? Why anything other than what we've had for 3/4 years before it? Because of Sean Dyche?

Okay perhaps it's just my opinion, but I don't think it is. I think the team / players should be doing better, as it is, it's as simple as that.

It seems some people can't get their head around the idea that we have a team that should NOT be in or around the bottom. It's like everything is being manufactured to put us in our place. (At least this season until we get to BM, as it goes). The magic of Bramley Moore. Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. Follow the blue, white & yellow brick road.

 

[pfim]

Okay perhaps it's just my opinion, but I don't think it is. I think the team / players should be doing better, as it is, it's as simple as that.

It seems some people can't get their head around the idea that we have a team that should NOT be in or around the bottom. It's like everything is being manufactured to put us in our place. (At least this season until we get to BM, as it goes). The magic of Bramley Moore. Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. Follow the blue, white & yellow brick road.

Nothing has been manufactured. Who has manufactured this storyline? Our owner does not care, certainly wasn't him.

It's not the magic of BMD. It's being free of Moshiri. If somehow Moshiri is still the owner when BMD opens, expect more of the same.

 

[Davideeyore]

I get that people are impatient, but time hasn't changed our circumstances. We're still broke with an absentee owner. Lack of funds, leadership, vision. Nothing changes until that changes.

I read your reply as you've posted 2 or 3 but while I completely agree about the absentee owner and it all stems from there, this is not about being impatient. Far from it. I don't think you'd have a more patient football fan than an Evertonian. We've been waiting patiently for decades. In the short term, I think it's awfully sad
that we're being told to basically write this season off. No point complaining about the manager or the style and when we don't win for 6 games or more it's okay, when we get to the end of the season and get to BM all our dreams will come true....

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Okay perhaps it's just my opinion, but I don't think it is. I think the team / players should be doing better, as it is, it's as simple as that.

It seems some people can't get their head around the idea that we have a team that should NOT be in or around the bottom. It's like everything is being manufactured to put us in our place. (At least this season until we get to BM, as it goes). The magic of Bramley Moore. Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. Follow the blue, white & yellow brick road.

The bold is where we fundamentally disagree.

I think results for years - 2 managers before Dyche have demonstrated we do have a team that's around the bottom.

You speak to neutrals, or even look at bookies odds before a ball is kicked and we're 4th favourite to go down.

If a new manager replaces Dyche tomorrow. In 21 months time, if every window we have to make a profit and Moshiri is still an absent owner - would you expect us to be any better than we are now?

I wouldn't.

 

[Davideeyore]

Nothing has been manufactured. Who has manufactured this storyline? Our owner does not care, certainly wasn't him.

No it certainly wasn't him.

It's more the 'stay up & get to BM' which is being drip fed. In to a number of places including here. It's damn well not good enough for Everton Football Club.
But it's okay, because - because we've got an absentee owner and we have to wait until the new owner comes in. So stop your whining.

 

[Marius57]

Alway a voice of reason got. Keep it up.

Mob rule leads to reactive decisions. It’s like rioters burning down their cities because they are sick of the the conditions.

See the season out, get new owners in, remove Dyche with a shake of the hand and move on.

On the other hand, we nearly waited too longer before sacking Benitez because the owner delayed.

We then nearly waited too long to sack Lampard because the owner delayed.

We have had an owner being too indecisive for too long now.

I hope the new owners are decisive and make the decision before it’s too late.

 

[MikeH72]

Alway a voice of reason got. Keep it up.

Mob rule leads to reactive decisions. It’s like rioters burning down their cities because they are sick of the the conditions.

See the season out, get new owners in, remove Dyche with a shake of the hand and move on.

That’s a great plan but sort of falls apart if we get relegated mate.

 

[pfim]

I read your reply as you've posted 2 or 3 but while I completely agree about the absentee owner and it all stems from there, this is not about being impatient. Far from it. I don't think you'd have a more patient football fan than an Evertonian. We've been waiting patiently for decades. In the short term, I think it's awfully sad
that we're being told to basically write this season off. No point complaining about the manager or the style and when we don't win for 6 games or more it's okay, when we get to the end of the season and get to BM all our dreams will come true....

We can complain all we want, but it won't change the situation. Our goals, as supporters, are not aligned with the owner's. Not even close.

We're not dealing with an owner who is making rational footballing decisions. He only cares about capturing as much cash as possible and leaving. Finishing 10th vs 15th to him is not worth the risk of possibly being relegated.

It's sad, agreed, I just think the ire is misdirected and given how long this ownership situation has carried on, many have lost perspective on how bad things actually are until this ownership change happens.

Bringing it back to Dyche, we're not in the relegation zone so our absentee owner probably thinks he's doing a great job. Dyche serves at the pleasure of Moshiri.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I just think the ire is misdirected and given how long this ownership situation has carried on, many have lost perspective on how bad things actually are until this ownership change happens.

Very much agree with this.

 

[Lanolin]

I read your reply as you've posted 2 or 3 but while I completely agree about the absentee owner and it all stems from there, this is not about being impatient. Far from it. I don't think you'd have a more patient football fan than an Evertonian. We've been waiting patiently for decades. In the short term, I think it's awfully sad
that we're being told to basically write this season off. No point complaining about the manager or the style and when we don't win for 6 games or more it's okay, when we get to the end of the season and get to BM all our dreams will come true....

Of course it's sad, nobody's saying it's not sad. That doesn't take away from the reality of the situation though. The fact that I don't want the club's aim to be just staying in the league has absolutely no bearing on what the aim actually is. I can't judge them on what I want the aims to be, I have to judge them on what they are. I'm seeing people in this thread saying that a team which finished 10th under one of the greatest and most successful managers in football history, and has since been asset stripped and made a profit in every transfer window since, should comfortably be in the top half. There's wanting more and then there's just being ridiculous.

 

[Nymzee]

The bold is where we fundamentally disagree.

I think results for years - 2 managers before Dyche have demonstrated we do have a team that's around the bottom.

You speak to neutrals, or even look at bookies odds before a ball is kicked and we're 4th favourite to go down.

If a new manager replaces Dyche tomorrow. In 21 months time, if every window we have to make a profit and Moshiri is still an absent owner - would you expect us to be any better than we are now?

I wouldn't.

Now now, this is like literally the whole point of being a well run club. You can make a profit and still have a successful transfer window.