2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Gilbert..]

Or into touch

Yeah i cant get into this as its probably my major gripe. Whoever rubber stamped him being the clubs biggest earner should be sacked on the spot.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Who knew also that you were the original miracle proclaimer for Dyche’s work, not just even a miracle, your exact words ‘beyond a miracle’ - the original Dychette!

Sean Dyche took the worst squad in the league in your own opinion to 48 points last season whilst turning a transfer profit

This is why I try and regularly remind people of views the week or so before Dyche arrived.

I think for many, it's a lost cause though and they cope just by believing all Everton's problems are Sean Dyche. To be fair, that must be comforting.

In my view, Southgate, Potter, Sarri, Bielsa - anyone replaces him tomorrow, and goes 21 months and every transfer window making a profit then I wouldn't expect them to progress this Everton team any further.

We need investment, it's coming as is a new manager.

Hopefully then we can leave behind the relegation anxiety and high blood pressure we've endured for too long.

We probably don't need to do the same dance every day in this thread.

 

[MikeH72]

This is why I try and regularly remind people of views the week or so before Dyche arrived.

I think for many, it's a lost cause though and they cope just by believing all Everton's problems are Sean Dyche. To be fair, that must be comforting.

In my view, Southgate, Potter, Sarri, Bielsa - anyone replaces him tomorrow, and goes 21 months and every transfer window making a profit then I wouldn't expect them to progress this Everton team any further.

We need investment, it's coming as is a new manager.

Hopefully then we can leave behind the relegation anxiety and high blood pressure we've endured for too long.

We probably don't need to do the same dance every day in this thread.

Imagine thinking Southgate would last 21 months as a club manager anywhere.

 

[Toffeelover]

@MikeH72

These are some of your posts in the Dyche thread from Jan 23 and the remainder of that season. Since then the only notable players we have added permanently are Beto Chermiti Young Ndiaye O’Brien Iroegbunam Harrison with Branthwaite returning on loan.

We’ve lost in return Gordon, Kean, Iwobi, Gray, Mina, Cannon Simms Dobbin Onana Godfrey and of course all our older players have got 2 years slower.

I think anyone would say that apart from Branthwaite replacing Mina we’ve massively downgraded in quality since.

This was your view of the players back then though:

‘Personally I think we’ve got the worst attacking options in the entire league, and by a distance now after January. The midfield aside from Onana is an absolute train wreck too and none of them can pass a football. The back 4 is non-paced and they’re all awful on the ball. No seriously, we are the worst team in the league.’

‘The full backs are hopeless and offer nothing defensively or going forward. The wide players offer no creativity. The centre backs are slow and poor on the ball. The midfield is made up of players that can’t pass forwards. It’s definitely more than the forwards that are the issue.’

‘We can focus on getting better in the summer when we hopefully sack the board and Thelwell and then buy some good players. For now we are absolutely terrible and must accrue points by any means necessary.’

‘I would give him (Dyche) a chance with a clean slate to try and build to get us back up next season. Get this season out of the way, sack Thelwell and the board the second the season ends, start completely afresh and cull 90% of the squad (properly, not loans).’

‘How utterly grim a sentence is that to type out.I think it’ll be beyond a miracle if this team stays up tbh.’

‘I don’t “expect” points from any game, I think we’re the worst team in the league. But the reality of the situation is simply we have to pick up points against teams that are better than us or we are going down. So whether we expect to or not is academic, we just have to.’

‘I agree our squad is garbage and not likely to get any better with that idiot Thelwell overseeing the recruitment this summer. I hope Dyche proves to be the manager we need that can get awful players overperforming, because if he doesn’t prove to be that then we should be looking elsewhere.’


Well well well. How quickly your view on our squad quality turned. They’re now all apparently just bursting at the seams to play progressive attacking football but their younger selves 2 years ago apparently were the worst squad in the league. You didn’t expect wins back then, but now when it suits you you do. It seems Sean Dyche raised your expectations then as soon as he did you beat him around the head with nsno like the top blue you are.

Who knew also that you were the original miracle proclaimer for Dyche’s work, not just even a miracle, your exact words ‘beyond a miracle’ - the original Dychette!

Sean Dyche took the worst squad in the league in your own opinion to 48 points last season whilst turning a transfer profit




Not related to Dyche but in amongst your appreciation for the job Dyche did your excellent prediction skill strikes again

‘Arsenal got totally spanked by City, so did United, so did Liverpool, City are not the yardstick. Burnley will finish about mid table next season, bookmark this post.’

Dyche is awful as he was at Burnley . as for last season look where we are now..

 

[pfim]

What's this ?

Evidence, as if your eyes can't see it.

 

[Lob]

I think for many, it's a lost cause though and they cope just by believing all Everton's problems are Sean Dyche. To be fair, that must be comforting.

I am pretty sure everyone knows that the problems existed long before Dyche arrived. I know i do and i get no comfort out of any of it whatsoever. i also know that he did a decent job last season keeping us up in difficult circumstances.

He did what he came here to do last season and that is when his tenure should have came to an end. Expecting anything better from such a limited and dated manager is a fools errand. He is currently doing exactly as i would expect him to do no matter what players he has at his disposal.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I am pretty sure everyone knows that the problems existed long before Dyche arrived. I know i do and i get no comfort out of any of it whatsoever. i also know that he did a decent job last season keeping us up in difficult circumstances.

He did what he came here to do last season and that is when his tenure should have came to an end. Expecting anything better from such a limited and dated manager is a fools errand. He is currently doing exactly as i would expect him to do no matter what players he has at his disposal.

I can understand that view after Bournemouth.

But after last season? Why?

He'd just done more than what was expected.

And nothing changed in the summer, we still had to sell. We still had ownership limbo. We'd still would of had to sack a manager and coaching team and the costs involved and find a manager out of contract who'd be willing to come to the worlds biggest basketcase club - fresh of the back of point deductions and pending new owners who'll want their own man.

I'd routinely ask on here prior the season starting why people expected anything different from Everton this season to last - signing two number 10s in NDiaye and Lindstrom who hadn't performed at the highest level didn't give any assurance, nor the academy lad from Aston Villa.

 

[jamieni]

I am pretty sure everyone knows that the problems existed long before Dyche arrived. I know i do and i get no comfort out of any of it whatsoever. i also know that he did a decent job last season keeping us up in difficult circumstances.

He did what he came here to do last season and that is when his tenure should have came to an end. Expecting anything better from such a limited and dated manager is a fools errand. He is currently doing exactly as i would expect him to do no matter what players he has at his disposal.

Dyche is definitely a symptom rather than the cause in a manner of speaking. He wouldn’t be here if the club wasn’t a mess. Just looking forward to a new start but a bit of patience required I guess.

 

[pfim]

I am pretty sure everyone knows that the problems existed long before Dyche arrived. I know i do and i get no comfort out of any of it whatsoever. i also know that he did a decent job last season keeping us up in difficult circumstances.

He did what he came here to do last season and that is when his tenure should have came to an end. Expecting anything better from such a limited and dated manager is a fools errand. He is currently doing exactly as i would expect him to do no matter what players he has at his disposal.

For the bolded part, the problems still exist.

This is a good post. It's tough for me to blame Dyche for being Dyche. His boss (Moshiri) is more than happy to keep him as long as the club is in the PL. That's the goal for him, that's the only thing that matters. Blaming Dyche for being himself and doing the things he has always done seems like an old man yelling at clouds.

My expectations from a squad managed by him are to have a stellar defensive record and opportunistic goal scoring. I've been critical of him when we're shipping goals or leaky with set pieces, as there's no point in him being here if the squad can't cope defensively.

At the end of the day, he would not be here if not for Moshiri and the dumpster fire he made. Once the dumpster fire is put out, I expect he'll be moved on.

 

[Carlito]

Can't see us getting these surprising wins this season, we used our momentum well to beat for example Chelsea last season.

But Chelsea look much better than last season, we have a pretty horrendous program after Wolves till Leicester.

Bournemouth, Forest, are maybe winnable, but also they have taken a step forward.

The longer he's here, the easier it becomes to block his very limited routes to victory.

- Don't dive in on Ndiaye; letting him shoot or cross is better than conceding a free kick.
- Close down McNeil the moment he picks up the ball within shooting distance.
- Double up on Tarkowski at set pieces.

Even Southampton figured out last one, even if it did take until the 97th minute.

 

[Blue peter]

My issue with Dyche has really just been this season. Despite generally not great performances, I think with adversity the club had to deal with to amass 48 ‘on field’ points was decent so fair play for that.

I wasn’t expecting miracles this season but my view at the outset was either improve on points if possible or maintain (give or take) but show some progression in style of football. Currently tracking well below projection for season end (although this can and will likely change) but the performances have been woeful from essentially the same group of players. The run of games so far haven’t exactly been the hardest run of games either. We just seem to have regressed.

People talk about the runs we went on last season like it will also apply this season (both the bad and good runs)….the reality is though it doesn’t always work out like that. I’m sure he had those runs as Burnley manager but two of his ten seasons didn’t go to plan either. I think people who are concerned have a right to be concerned.

 

[blue to the bone]

Evidence, as if your eyes can't see it.

Can you do a percentile of players that make it to the Premier League next.
it's utter nonsense to suggest a premier league footballer cannot pass a ball.
Anyway this is the Dyche thread. He doesn't want his players to pass it .
He's happy to select ones who prefer to hoof it.

 

[ToffeeScot]

I can understand that view after Bournemouth.

But after last season? Why?

He'd just done more than what was expected.

And nothing changed in the summer, we still had to sell. We still had ownership limbo. We'd still would of had to sack a manager and coaching team and the costs involved and find a manager out of contract who'd be willing to come to the worlds biggest basketcase club - fresh of the back of point deductions and pending new owners who'll want their own man.

I'd routinely ask on here prior the season starting why people expected anything different from Everton this season to last - signing two number 10s in NDiaye and Lindstrom who hadn't performed at the highest level didn't give any assurance, nor the academy lad from Aston Villa.

I think you can make an argument for or against our squad being stronger than it was last season. There are areas where it is stronger and areas where it is weaker. I think though what I'd have liked to see is progression from Dyche as a manager. He had another pre-season with the squad where he could try new things and become a better manager but he hasn't. He's stuck to what he is as a manager and it's frustrating. Sure, you can say, what did you expect? Perhaps we shouldn't expect anything more of Dyche and that's fine. If that's what he is, then that's what he is, but it has it's ceiling and last season he probably reached it. I think we have players who have a higher ceiling and they and we as a club will reach it with a better manager.

As always though, that won't change until we have the new owners in.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I think you can make an argument for or against our squad being stronger than it was last season. There are areas where it is stronger and areas where it is weaker. I think though what I'd have liked to see is progression from Dyche as a manager. He had another pre-season with the squad where he could try new things and become a better manager but he hasn't. He's stuck to what he is as a manager and it's frustrating. Sure, you can say, what did you expect? Perhaps we shouldn't expect anything more of Dyche and that's fine. If that's what he is, then that's what he is, but it has it's ceiling and last season he probably reached it. I think we have players who have a higher ceiling and they and we as a club will reach it with a better manager.

As always though, that won't change until we have the new owners in.

You can Scott. I argued on here before a ball was we hadn't improved the team to take us away from the bottom. Just like I had in summers before that - like the season after Bournemouth, 2 weeks prior our first game we'd signed Ashley Young and Danjuma. I mean, there's negligent and then there's Everton.

We can, and have argued on here whether this team is better or worse than last season - what can't argue against though is the fact we didn't invest in the team - it was another window in which we made a profit. At some point, you've got to spend. Ask Wolves. Ask Lopetegui.

When we started the season with a defence including Young, Keane, Mykolenko and an unfit Tarkowski to a team who'd just spent £200m+ net.

We also got very lucky with injuries last season - we couldn't expect to be so lucky this.

We all expect progression, we got that last season in spades in terms of point total. But take any team that's averaged 41 points for 3 seasons on the spin, and make them sell more than they spend every window and it's the very definition of circling the drain.

 

[Lob]

I can understand that view after Bournemouth.

But after last season? Why?

Because he was brought in to keep us up, not for the future and despite keeping us up, there were continuous poor records being broken such as 13 games without a win as an example. The forthcoming season was going to be the last ever at Goodison and every effort should have been made to give it a fitting farewell. That was never going to happen keeping Dyche on. All you would get is a season of boredom and frustration with plenty of poor runs, the odd good win from a big name and then hopefully enough draws and points to not relegated.

That is fine for THE very badly ran club but it is definitely not fine for the joy starved supporters who have had years of descending into nothingness. That is why i cannot wait for the takeover to be complete. Everything about Everton sucks until that happens.