2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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MikeH72 said:
I’m happy to call out rewriting of history on both sides to be honest. For fairness and all that.

It reads a lot like a defence of Dyche anyway, suggesting that Lampard had a far superior squad even though he hated all the players that played in it.
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I can't answer for him but i'm pretty sure he's just listing players to highlight the difference, not saying the players in one list are better than the other. But of course he didn't say Dychette, Dycheosaur or gasdyching, so it's not a good post.
 

nsno-chris said:
Like the Benitez 8, you will be held accountable

The good guys never forget
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Lanolin said:
I can't answer for him but i'm pretty sure he's just listing players to highlight the difference, not saying the players in one list are better than the other. But of course he didn't say Dychette, Dycheosaur or gasdyching, so it's not a good post.
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Well considering he goes on to quite literally say that Gray, Iwobi and Gordon are better than our current options I think that might be what he meant actually.
 
nsno-chris said:
Apart from the £90m he’s spent ste
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Ye, for players that we can stagger payments over 5 years for. Hardly a huge pool to choose from there. Or id imagine you're of the opinion that the players we have signed are all Dyches choice and are poor because of Dyche so no point arguing with you.
 

Lanolin said:
9 points better off would effectively see us 3rd in the league. How anybody with even the tiniest modicum of sense could believe this side should be 3rd in the league is completely beyond me. There are legitimate things to have a go at Dyche about but this type of stuff totally dilutes it because it's utterly laughable. The huge majority of people (fans, neutrals, bookies) had us down as being somewhere in the region of 13th-17th but now suddenly any half decent manager would have us a third of the way through the season in the CL places. It's like some people have fully just lost all sense of perspective.
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Lanolin said:
Yes, and it's been widely lauded (included on here, by people saying what an incredible feat of management it is). Is it theoretically possible that we could have 9 points more than we have? Yes of course. Is it in any way something that should be the case? Not even slightly.
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I think if you look at the games then 6pts in the Bournemouth & Southampton games should have been taken.

11 games 16pts would have us joint 10th.

That would be a position that the majority of supporters would have been happy with (including myself).

Yes, blame can be placed on Dyche...and on players.

I find it pathetic that were 16th with 10pts and seemingly are leaderless on the pitch.

One area we need to improve is on pitch leadership.
 
Sean Ashley said:
I think this graph shows it best. From the 60 minute mark our record this season is 1 goal scored and 10 goals conceded.

Shows you he has no plan B or and doesn't make the right changes, if he makes any changes in the first place.

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My post just now above i wasnt aware of these figures :o

Ive nailed it there and the post you responded to.

We dont have on pitch leaders and Dyche is awful at subs.

Its very poor.
 
Zatara said:
I think if you look at the games then 6pts in the Bournemouth & Southampton games should have been taken.

11 games 16pts would have us joint 10th.

That would be a position that the majority of supporters would have been happy with (including myself).

Yes, blame can be placed on Dyche...and on players.

I find it pathetic that were 16th with 10pts and seemingly are leaderless on the pitch.

One area we need to improve is on pitch leadership.
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I agree, that sort of touches on what I was getting at really. The 'any competent manager wins the Bournemouth game' argument only works on the basis that we were 2-0 up very late on. You can of course say poor management cost us the lead (to some extent at least) but you also have to take into account that we were 2-0 up to begin with, and much as some people want to shout 'NSNO we're Everton they're Bournemouth we should beat them every time we play' the reality is they're a side that's beaten City and Arsenal already this year and so not quite the guaranteed 3 points that you might think based on the reaction. Southampton again not that he couldn't possibly have done any more but I wouldn't really say we lost because of poor management, we had more than enough chances to win the game and didn't take them. Beto's header is 2 inches lower and it's job done, 2 consecutive away wins with clean sheets can't ask for much more than that. Fine margins again,
 

Zatara said:
My post just now above i wasnt aware of these figures :o

Ive nailed it there and the post you responded to.

We dont have on pitch leaders and Dyche is awful at subs.

Its very poor.
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It was one of them, could only think of the late goal vs Fulham. But didn't expect it to be so dire.

You can't blame the players for that it's how Dyche is setting them up.
 
Lanolin said:
I agree, that sort of touches on what I was getting at really. The 'any competent manager wins the Bournemouth game' argument only works on the basis that we were 2-0 up very late on. You can of course say poor management cost us the lead (to some extent at least) but you also have to take into account that we were 2-0 up to begin with, and much as some people want to shout 'NSNO we're Everton they're Bournemouth we should beat them every time we play' the reality is they're a side that's beaten City and Arsenal already this year and so not quite the guaranteed 3 points that you might think based on the reaction. Southampton again not that he couldn't possibly have done any more but I wouldn't really say we lost because of poor management, we had more than enough chances to win the game and didn't take them. Beto's header is 2 inches lower and it's job done, 2 consecutive away wins with clean sheets can't ask for much more than that. Fine margins again,
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If you look at Sean's (the poster below) table that he posted and i responded to you'll see the disaster of Dyche near the end of games.

So its fair that you say he/we did well to get to a point where we should beat Bournemouth and Southampton -- but the table points to us throwing points away.

When that is consistent it points to a lack of leadership on pitch and poor management.

Sean Ashley said:
It was one of them, could only think of the late goal vs Fulham. But didn't expect it to be so dire.

You can't blame the players for that it's how Dyche is setting them up.
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Possibly but weve seen heads drop and strong on pitch leadership removes alot of that defeated attitude.

A true leader in the dressing room with others as official/unofficial vice captains for example and the heads dont drop.
 

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