2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Bob Elstone]

Kenwright the single worst thing to happen to this club bar none.

 

[Lanolin]

8 more points (Southampton, Bournemouth & Brentford) would have us in 9th right now, on the same amount of points as Spurs, Villa & Forest.
Would getting maximum points from those 3 fixtures of been unrealistic?

I would say it's not unrealistic but it would mean that it was - in relative terms for us as a club - a genuinely excellent start to the season. To put it into perspective, 2 seasons ago we won 8 games all season, so winning 5 of our first 12 would be a big turnaround from where we were. We've only won more than 5 of our first 12 games of the season once in the last 17 years (under Ancelotti, playing in front of no crowds), so it would be up there with the best starts we've made for a generation. For a side which has gone into the last few weeks of the season worried about relegation for 3 years running to be practically 15 points from safety before the end of November would be quite impressive, not impossible by any means but probably not what anyone would have been expecting.

I think pretty much any individual game in this league is winnable, but putting consistent runs together is hard. In theory you'd think the Fulham, Bournemouth, Brentford, West Ham and Southampton results were all disappointing but if we'd won all of them we'd be second and that would be pretty remarkable however you look at it. That's why I don't think we're underperforming by quite as much as some people do, I would have expected us to have a few more points at this stage but I don't really see every disappointing result as being appalling in the way some do. I do think we're below where I expected though, and that's why I think we've got to a stage where it's reasonable to say he should go.

 

[royvernon39]

It smacks more of a manager that is completely out of ideas and just guessing and hoping some mud he slings at the wall sticks. That’s when you truly know a manager is done. I can’t see us picking up another point under him. Sunday is as nailed on a defeat as there can be, then I think that Wolves game under the lights will be a toxic bombshell if he’s still here. Can see it being like when we played them under Lampard, a clueless display and they eventually nick a late winner descending the place into chaos. If he’s still our manager after that game then we are on for an almighty death spiral with the fixtures immediately after that.

Entirely agree about his lack of ideas but there are ideas that he has not tried.

Our full backs contribute nothing in attacking sense: against ten men Patterson had to come on.
Doucoure is not a number 10: Ndaye is. Play him.
Mangala is our best half-back. Play him.
Switch the wingers.
Get DCL out. Dom is like an employee who is sending out his CV to everyone and spends his time doing the minimum. He's lost his
attachment to the club and is going through the motions.
Rethink our corners. Its our only tactic but going every time to the back post is not a clever plan.

But above all, Dyche has to go, He has failed to kick on this season and the job is too big for him. Over-promoted. He'll be happier
somewhere smaller.

 

[Raino85]

I would say it's not unrealistic but it would mean that it was - in relative terms for us as a club - a genuinely excellent start to the season. To put it into perspective, 2 seasons ago we won 8 games all season, so winning 5 of our first 12 would be a big turnaround from where we were. We've only won more than 5 of our first 12 games of the season once in the last 17 years (under Ancelotti, playing in front of no crowds), so it would be up there with the best starts we've made for a generation. For a side which has gone into the last few weeks of the season worried about relegation for 3 years running to be practically 15 points from safety before the end of November would be quite impressive, not impossible by any means but probably not what anyone would have been expecting.

I think pretty much any individual game in this league is winnable, but putting consistent runs together is hard. In theory you'd think the Fulham, Bournemouth, Brentford, West Ham and Southampton results were all disappointing but if we'd won all of them we'd be second and that would be pretty remarkable however you look at it. That's why I don't think we're underperforming by quite as much as some people do, I would have expected us to have a few more points at this stage but I don't really see every disappointing result as being appalling in the way some do. I do think we're below where I expected though, and that's why I think we've got to a stage where it's reasonable to say he should go.

If you want to compare what we have done from previous seasons, we are 8 points down on the same fixtures from last season.

With some wins we pulled out the hat last season against the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea, can we afford to be 8 points down from last seasons fixtures?

 

[MikeH72]

Entirely agree about his lack of ideas but there are ideas that he has not tried.

Our full backs contribute nothing in attacking sense: against ten men Patterson had to come on.
Doucoure is not a number 10: Ndaye is. Play him.
Mangala is our best half-back. Play him.
Switch the wingers.
Get DCL out. Dom is like an employee who is sending out his CV to everyone and spends his time doing the minimum. He's lost his
attachment to the club and is going through the motions.
Rethink our corners. Its our only tactic but going every time to the back post is not a clever plan.

But above all, Dyche has to go, He has failed to kick on this season and the job is too big for him. Over-promoted. He'll be happier
somewhere smaller.

I agree with all that, but they are ideas that don’t even enter his head because he has stubbornly backed himself into a corner over them and won’t budge. He’d rather get sacked than try any of them, because the embarrassment would be too much for him to handle if they turned out to work.

 

[Lanolin]

If you want to compare what we have done from previous seasons, we are 8 points down on the same fixtures from last season.

With some wins we pulled out the hat last season against the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea, can we afford to be 8 points down from last seasons fixtures?

Well no we can't, I pretty much just said that.

 

[Walken]

Would recommend listening to james richardsons totally football podcast on this weekends fixtures. We aren't discussed until the end but I think it's pretty much spot on

 

[Toffeelover]

Sack, Sack Sack.

 

[Toffeelover]

I was going to say why is it Dyche cannot see all that is wrong and highlighted in articles and tv comments.

The truth is he cannot because he is a useless as a manager, has no ideas.

 

[Joey66]

New owners are going to interview every employee about their job down to the tea ladies, & cleaners .... I cannot see Dyche & Thellwell surviving TBH ....

 

[derek duvall]

Entirely agree about his lack of ideas but there are ideas that he has not tried.

Our full backs contribute nothing in attacking sense: against ten men Patterson had to come on.
Doucoure is not a number 10: Ndaye is. Play him.
Mangala is our best half-back. Play him.
Switch the wingers.
Get DCL out. Dom is like an employee who is sending out his CV to everyone and spends his time doing the minimum. He's lost his
attachment to the club and is going through the motions.
Rethink our corners. Its our only tactic but going every time to the back post is not a clever plan.

But above all, Dyche has to go, He has failed to kick on this season and the job is too big for him. Over-promoted. He'll be happier
somewhere smaller.

I doubt even Burnley would go anywhere near him now. After Everton, he's joining a list of a fellow Dinosaurs like Bruce, Pardew, Allardyce who eventually disappear into the abyss..

 

[Raino85]

Well no we can't, I pretty much just said that.

So why did you put in a massive post comparing season starts?

 

[JelavicBrate2]

So what's Dyche doing here that has you arsed, then?

Doing as poor as he did at Burnley, clearly showing that the 7th will never happen again and was a fluke, buying players he doesn't even play for arbitrary reasons, and finishing in the lower parts of the table and claiming improvement, while the football gets worse as time goes on.

We can be revisionist all you want and Koeman was/is a giant fat turd, but he got a deflated team that was midtable and on a downward spiral back to Europe while losing the best defender we had and getting Ashley Williams in return. We "improved" on the team by shuffling off permacrocked, cyclist's enemy, Gibson and getting Schneiderlin and Gueye in, in his first season, and Stekelenburg as a stop gap at GK, then getting Pickford, who is a permanent starter and one of the top reasons we're not down. We also did get Keane then though, has to be said, even though his stock was quite higher than it is now. He did get more or less the best out of that team in his first year, we had a poor run around this time which ultimately cost us 6th, but we were the genuine best of the rest together with United and had quite a few winning streaks.

He then went on a spree of getting central attacking mids for some reason, we lost Lukaku and replaced him with no one really, we didn't kick on, and he was rightly binned when the results suffered. That might also be karma for removing Prince Niasse's locker access though, we can't be sure. Or chatting bubbles about Barcelona, etc. etc.

I disagree that Koemann was that much better than Martinez. Martinez couldn't hold leads at home, such as West Ham defeat. Koemann got us consistent at home, but his away record was awful and some of our worst performances I've seen were under Koemann. Summer of 2017, was when it all went wrong, who was making decisions about signings. As I've said continually Dyche isn't biggest villain at Everton, he just isn't somebody who has any ability to change games.

 

[Raino85]

I doubt even Burnley would go anywhere near him now. After Everton, he's joining a list of a fellow Dinosaurs like Bruce, Pardew, Allardyce who eventually disappear into the abyss..

Wouldnt put it past someone like Palace pulling him in with 10 games to go if they were in trouble

(In Dyche voice) 'You saw the mess that rabble were in before i took over and i kept them up no problem, ,if it wasn't for those absolute C&%t's of a fanbase weren't so unrealistic in what they wanted, people were asking for europe you know' i'd still be there, i'm glad i left though...................Woany & I were looking for a flat in London'............................proceeds to pick his nose and rub it all over his head

 

[Lanolin]

So why did you put in a massive post comparing season starts?

Well it's a forum for discussion mate, I was trying to add to the discussion. If you find 2 paragraphs too difficult to read just ignore it like, I won't cry.