2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Not gonna lie, that win was as surprising as it was welcome. Bad as Wolves were I really did think the squad had given up on Dyche and would fold.

 

[John from Bootle]

Tbh I've felt fine for a while but there are some in here with very high blood pressure debating the same things over and over

Not much to be annoyed about this morning is there? My corn flakes always taste a bit better after a win. Enjoy it while you can I say. Saturday's tea might well end up in the bin.

 

[nsno-chris]

Im never going to win an argument with a man that spends 14 hours of his life every day on the Dyche board spouting the same stuff. Its obsessive..

It’s not an argument mate, I asked you a question.

But well done on the mini rant, very impressive. Not in my room today mate, I’m in my office looking at the new stadium whilst calling BS on your posts

It’s been a productive day so far

 

[Drico]

Russell Martin is this years Vincent Kompany , I will never understand a manager who puts his own football vanity before the success of their team.

Well, to understand, look where Kompany is now.

These managers do this because they are careerists putting their brands ahead of the club that employs them. Kompany struck gold by doing this - much to everyone's surprise (probably because Bayern are in a very peculiar transition period). But he also had a name as a players, so what worked for him is now really likely to work for pound-shop Kompanys like Martin.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Well, to understand, look where Kompany is now.

These managers do this because they are careerists putting their brands ahead of the club that employs them. Kompany struck gold by doing this - much to everyone's surprise (probably because Bayern are in a very peculiar transition period). But he also had a name as a players, so what worked for him is now really likely to work for pound-shop Kompanys like Martin.

Significant risk tbh. I think Kompany is very lucky to get the Bayern gig. As was Martinez to get the Everton job.

All that says to me is they are a rigid adherent to one style and don't adapt as might be needed.

 

[Drico]

Significant risk tbh. I think Kompany is very lucky to get the Bayern gig. As was Martinez to get the Everton job.

All that says to me is they are a rigid adherent to one style and don't adapt as might be needed.

Of course, they don't. They're brands pure and simple - not actually competent in coaching terms. So, they hide behind an attractive ideology.

 

[John from Bootle]

Significant risk tbh. I think Kompany is very lucky to get the Bayern gig. As was Martinez to get the Everton job.

All that says to me is they are a rigid adherent to one style and don't adapt as might be needed.

There often seems to be a trend with management recruitment. I know it sounds mad, but I reckon people are sometimes swayed by the smallest things. With Kompany, I genuinely believe the thought process was 'big name player. serial winner, worked with Pep... ooohhh look at how well Arteta's doing'

Likewise, I'm not convinced Ruud gets the Leicester job if Slot isn't doing as well. It seemed like everybody was chasing German managers for a while. I wonder if there's gonna be a Dutch thing now?

 

[blueblue]

Just for a couple of days let's enjoy what was a really good win and give credit to everyone involved, management team and players.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I agree with most of that but it's not a binary choice between tiki taka and hoofball.

Russell Martin is this years Vincent Kompany , I will never understand a manager who puts his own football vanity before the success of their team.

However he and football managers of his type don't have to do a complete turn and go all Tony Pulis , Sam Allardyce and dare I say it Sean Dyche and imitate Wimbledon of the 80s.

You can be solid at the back , cut out the ridiculous passing around in your own third and still play decent football .

Yes you can

I just look at some of our players and I know people say they can pass a lot better but for some of them I don’t see it.

Mangala improves us and Garner is a big miss because he can look after the ball. McNeil and Ndiaye are ok at it.

All of the defence except perhaps for Young are pretty terrible on the ball, Mykolenko Coleman Tarkowski and Keane are absolutely awful. Doucoure is awful, Calvert Lewin isn’t very good. Idrissa Gueye is inconsistent, one minute he handles like he’s at PSG, the next he’s under hitting suicide balls across the middle of the pitch.

So if we have some of the better players on the pitch we can definitely do more of it but even last night there’s times when they get themselves into a complete mess when someone miscontrols or underhits a pass, at 2-0 Doucoure took one under jo pressure in midfield and instead of turning absolutely leathered it backwards and played in the Wolves player and it ended up being panic stations to get it behind for a corner, that came from no danger whatsoever.

We’ve survived as a PL club because we’ve had a very good goalkeeper, good defenders in Branthwaite and Tarkowski and we’ve got some players who give their all off the ball.

I genuinely think that other PL teams, even the ones at the bottom, don’t carry players as technically poor on the ball as Coleman, Keane, Mykolenko Doucoure, Gueye, Calvert Lewin. I just don’t see other teams bobbling five yard passes and taking horrible fat touches under no pressure.

They’ve done it under all managers. Pickford bowls one out too quickly to Keane who leathers it at Tom Davies who took a fat touch and we were a goal down to Dyche’s Burnley under Carlo. There was a derby when it got played back to Coleman who took a fat touch and had it stolen off him and we conceded.

It’s blighted us for years, you only need one weak link in a team when playing possession football and we have far too many.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Im never going to win an argument with a man that spends 14 hours of his life every day on the Dyche board spouting the same stuff. Its obsessive.

Against my better judgment...
Broja not played yet but might come good. If so a massive asset but he hasn't been yet.

You missed Onana off the top list, which is pretty telling. Add him he nullifies Ndiaye. Both are obviously talented, but do they change games? Godfrey would have had game time this season (more than O'Brien), and Gomes and Mangala similar standard. Possibly like for like. I'm sure you are full of praise for Thelwell's achievement of doing this on a reduced budget.

Now go up stairs, have a wash, change your pants go outside and get some fresh air. Dyche is not worth you dedicating your life to this board.

You don’t have to answer binary questions from Chris - he doesn’t

 

[pfim]

Not gonna lie, that win was as surprising as it was welcome. Bad as Wolves were I really did think the squad had given up on Dyche and would fold.

There are some really bad teams out there, just need to look around. We are one of them, of course.

 

[Number_25]

Watching the reaction after the game it's obvious that he still has the support of the team. I felt like the team selection was bang on and that we're starting to see Branthewaite come back into form.

I do wonder if our struggles upfront are more an issue with confidence as opposed to an issue of skill.

His contract is up at the end of the season, and we don't look like a team circling the drain of relegation. If that changes we need a change, but I'd be perfectly fine with him remaining and then re-evaluate things in the summer with the new chairman.

 

[pfim]

Watching the reaction after the game it's obvious that he still has the support of the team. I felt like the team selection was bang on and that we're starting to see Branthewaite come back into form.

I do wonder if our struggles upfront are more an issue with confidence as opposed to an issue of skill.

His contract is up at the end of the season, and we don't look like a team circling the drain of relegation. If that changes we need a change, but I'd be perfectly fine with him remaining and then re-evaluate things in the summer with the new chairman.

Counterpoint: we beat Wolves with 4 set pieces.

I'm sure it's a relief for the players to see the ball go into the net 4 (5) times, and confidence is key, but I don't think we've turned a corner or anything has been solved.

 

[Raino85]

I agree with most of that but it's not a binary choice between tiki taka and hoofball.

Russell Martin is this years Vincent Kompany , I will never understand a manager who puts his own football vanity before the success of their team.

However he and football managers of his type don't have to do a complete turn and go all Tony Pulis , Sam Allardyce and dare I say it Sean Dyche and imitate Wimbledon of the 80s.

You can be solid at the back , cut out the ridiculous passing around in your own third and still play decent football .

Is this not a case for Dyche also? Albeit a different style? He just wont look to move from the one way he knows

 

[Raino85]

Counterpoint: we beat Wolves with 4 set pieces.

I'm sure it's a relief for the players to see the ball go into the net 4 (5) times, and confidence is key, but I don't think we've turned a corner or anything has been solved.

I thought i was the only one thinking this.

Sound ridiculous as we scored 4 goals, but on another day, none of those transpire into goals