2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Marius57]

Had we beaten Bournemouth and 10 man Brentford we all be happy and content but we didn’t and we are where we are, luckily City remembered how to win yesterday, I don’t see us getting anything at Bournemouth

If we had managed wins against Leicester and Southampton (as even the dychettes say we have a better team than them), we would be comfortably clear right now as Leicester would be on 13 and we would have 22.

But no, we failed to beat either of them.

 

[se_16]

If you are talking about their sneaking into a Europa spot, that was a while ago and it wasn't long before they were figured out.

All due respect but I think you’re off the mark here. They stayed up for years with one of the lowest budgets in the league. Not only did they qualify for Europa but they also made a good run and arguably only lost bc Forest’s heroin dealing owner had to put the screws to the refs. Either way a remarkable achievement for Burnley, let’s be real here

 

[Toffeepot]

Bielsa jibbed us.

Nobody else fancied it.

Evidently, he could command those wages.

We'd have paid that 10 times over to keep us up that year anyway.

Bielsa jibbed us for his own footballing purist reasons. He was probably right. Implementing his style midseason would've been a disaster.

I get that Dyche was paid too much to attend a few less gigs and dust off his old playbook.

In terms of resources however, which was your point, Dyche is not earning a relegation fodder wage.

If he were, we could afford the wage of another player

 

[Marius57]

I see, fair play. To be fair though he never
Committed many men forward at Burnley either but they had success. I’m no Everton expert so take it with a grain of salt but I don’t see two strikers that can match Wood and Barnes nor a midfielder that can place a pass like Westwood, and maybe I’m wrong but for me that’s recruitment.

And yet here you are, telling us that we are crying about Dyche and that it’s not on him despite the fact we watch his set up and tactics every week.

 

[se_16]

And yet here you are, telling us that we are crying about Dyche and that it’s not on him despite the fact we watch his set up and tactics every week.

Fair enough. I’m just saying through my Millwall tinted glasses I see a manager that has continuously kept you up despite even a points deduction and worked miracles at Burnley so I’m a bit confused why he’s so hated. Where do you think you should be in the table bc to a neutral it don’t seem there’s a lot of quality in that side

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Arguably that says to me that the side was better than it showed throughout large patches of that season. It's also showing to me that it's better than we are doing now.

It all indicates to me another thing which is that Dyche isn't good enough. Some of the players aren't either. Some of them are. I think that most managers in the league would get more out of them than our current manager is though.

I think the 3+ years of results over 3 managers is an indicator of quality in this team.

Its averaged 41 points in those 3 years, and the past 4 years has made money when every other competitor has spent/invested.

Bielsa jibbed us for his own footballing purist reasons. He was probably right. Implementing his style midseason would've been a disaster.

I get that Dyche was paid too much to attend a few less gigs and dust off his old playbook.

In terms of resources however, which was your point, Dyche is not earning a relegation fodder wage.

If he were, we could afford the wage of another player

My point was this;

A managers job in any walk of life is to manage the resources he has.

Our resources, benchmarked against the league, is relegation fodder.

It was before Dyche, and it will be if he leaves tomorrow.

^ What Dyche is paid makes no odds to me. As I say, he earned that and more by keeping us up.

As for Bielsa, he wanted to manage the academy lads and allow a fall guy to take us down and then he come in the summer with money to spend. He'd have left within a week or two if he accepted the job when he realised he wasn't getting any money.

 

[Toffeepot]

What Dyche is paid makes no odds to me. As I say, he earned that and more by keeping us up.

not saying he didn't earn it that first season. He barely did as it turned out
I am saying he is paid a wage that isn't a perennial relegation fodder wage. That's it
Those resources you mention are now being wasted on a manager that doesn't deserve that much money for what he delivers.

 

[Marius57]

Fair enough. I’m just saying through my Millwall tinted glasses I see a manager that has continuously kept you up despite even a points deduction and worked miracles at Burnley so I’m a bit confused why he’s so hated. Where do you think you should be in the table bc to a neutral it don’t seem there’s a lot of quality in that side

Honestly think we should have 22/23 points right now. And I thought that before the run of 4 games we have just had (which had 3 good draws in it against top opposition and 3 extra points I wasn’t expecting) It’s only a couple of positions in the table but it’s clear of relegation.

We shouldn’t be losing to Southampton and that’s a shocking result. We also failed to beat a 10 man Brentford at home (who still only have 2 points away all season). There’s 5 additional points just there, and that’s without the fact we dropped points to Leicester and blew the Bournemouth game (which Dyche could smell but did nothing about).

 

[ToffeeScot]

I think the 3+ years of results over 3 managers is an indicator of quality in this team.

Its averaged 41 points in those 3 years, and the past 4 years has made money when every other competitor has spent/invested.




My point was this;



^ What Dyche is paid makes no odds to me. As I say, he earned that and more by keeping us up.

As for Bielsa, he wanted to manage the academy lads and allow a fall guy to take us down and then he come in the summer with money to spend. He'd have left within a week or two if he accepted the job when he realised he wasn't getting any money.

A key point is that they've all been low quality managers (Benitez less so overall but in the latter stages of his career he has been). We haven't seen this squad with a good manager and when we have seen a large contingent of them with one, they've been much better.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

A key point is that they've all been low quality managers (Benitez less so overall but in the latter stages of his career he has been). We haven't seen this squad with a good manager and when we have seen a large contingent of them with one, they've been much better.

The club has been such a circus, the shortlist has been woeful.

Leicester and West Ham have been in a similar boat. Potter jibbed Leicester in the summer expecting them to get a deduction.

Under TFG we should be in a much more desirable position. This January is the first, realistic opportunity to make a shout to change the manager.

 

[Tipp blue]

If we had managed wins against Leicester and Southampton (as even the dychettes say we have a better team than them), we would be comfortably clear right now as Leicester would be on 13 and we would have 22.

But no, we failed to beat either of them.

That's even leaving out the 2 games that we went up by 2 goals.

 

[Terrarian]

getting head patted by a millwall fan, just stick a fork in us

 

[blulouie]

" They've forgotten how to win a game "

Words can come back to haunt you.

 

[Runub]

I wonder what plan Dyche has for Bournemouth? Plan A or will he surprise us with plan A?

 

[preposterousvelios]

As I say, 15 goals in 20 under Lampard.

And only the relegated teams scored less than us the season before.

Everton's inability to do anything in the final third/score goals isn't exclusive to Sean Dyche, and won't be resolved by only changing the manager.

Our blunt attack won't be resolved only by changing the manager, but with the window opening in a few days that should be the first step and needs to be done as soon as possible.

As you've said - before he joined only the relegated teams scored less than us. Well so far this season the only team thats scored less than us is Southampton, the de facto worst team in the league. Of the other big relegation candidates Ipswich have scored 2 more than us and Leicester have scored 9(!) more than us.