2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[ToffeeTim]

Nevermind that Forest are 2nd playing a similar style. Difference is they have quality and have recruited well of late. The whole obsession with playing the “right” way and playing out the back and all that nonsense really boils my piss. It’s why football is so boring nowadays and it’s sad to see so many fans demanding such a style. Maybe you should ask Saints fans how it worked for them

I don't want to see us play out from the back. In fact I'd be much happier seeing us commit fully to an ultra direct 442 system.

What I want to see is us getting men forward in attack, moving the ball forward quicker, and playing with tempo. It's nothing to do with playing the right way, but about using Goodison to our advantage and putting teams on the back foot. We regularly fail to get more than 2 players into the box when we attack. Other teams commit 5 and 6 men forward, but not Dyche's Everton. You can't score goals if you commit one and two men to attacks.

It's about effective play and ineffective football. We do nothing with any purpose in attack. We pass it aimlessly sideways then back to Tarkowski or JP to hoof. The team is woefully coached.

 

[ToffeeScot]

A managers job in any walk of life is to manage the resources he has.

Our resources, benchmarked against the league, is relegation fodder.

It was before Dyche, and it will be if he leaves tomorrow.

It wasn't relegation fodder last season though and it's arguably been improved upon. Dyche just isn't getting the best out of the players we have. It isn't hard to see that or admit that.

 

[MrGrumpy]

A managers job in any walk of life is to manage the resources he has.

Our resources, benchmarked against the league, is relegation fodder.

It was before Dyche, and it will be if he leaves tomorrow.

Had we beaten Bournemouth and 10 man Brentford we all be happy and content but we didn’t and we are where we are, luckily City remembered how to win yesterday, I don’t see us getting anything at Bournemouth

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It wasn't relegation fodder last season though and it's arguably been improved upon. Dyche just isn't getting the best out of the players we have. It isn't hard to see that or admit that.

Yes, it was.

Even with our points not removed, we didn't earn 40+ points until 33/34 games.

This was 16th April. My prediction was considered optimistic;



[Edit] last window we made money again while every competitor spent and invested.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Benitez didn't sign Mykolenko.

It is usually a bad idea, but worse still is relegation.

I get it, you can search my posts and I was very much in the minority saying we shouldn't spend that January under Allardyce as he's definitely off and we wouldn't go down. We signed Tosun and Walcott. I felt both shouldn't have been signed at the time.

But this is a team which has averaged 41 points for 3 seasons on the spin - small margins and Dyche/half of our squads contract situation doesn't help. TFG evidently have infrastructure at Roma etc, they need to be bringing in players this January.

If TFG have decided Dyche is not their manager for next year and beyond, then delaying the change is absolutely pointless. Bringing in players for a manager who is on the way out is not going to lead to success.

And we don't want or need players to suit a Dyche system. We need pace and technical ability because this squad has none. We don't need more wingers to play as assistant full backs. We don't need more centre halves. We don't need more players well into their 30s.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Yes, it was.

Even with our points not removed, we didn't earn 40+ points until 33/34 games.

This was 16th April. My prediction was considered optimistic;

So you're saying 10 clubs in the league last season were relegation fodder?

EDIT - I also don't care about our spend. I'm talking about the players we have. He's not getting the best out of them.

 

[Toffeepot]

A managers job in any walk of life is to manage the resources he has.

Our resources, benchmarked against the league, is relegation fodder.

It was before Dyche, and it will be if he leaves tomorrow.

Dyche isn't paid a relegation fodder wage

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So you're saying 10 clubs in the league last season were relegation fodder?

I'm saying a team that's been in successive relegation battles, staying up on the last day of the season - is in a relegation battle until it isn't.

And last season, we didn't earn 40 points until the last few games.

Concerns over relegation last season was very real going into the final stages until we beat Forest, Liverpool and Brentford in that fixture list.

 

[Dougie]

Everyone knows Forest didn't change their manager in the summer right?

Yeah he joined them last December, so in 6 months he has transformed them.

 

[se_16]

I don't want to see us play out from the back. In fact I'd be much happier seeing us commit fully to an ultra direct 442 system.

What I want to see is us getting men forward in attack, moving the ball forward quicker, and playing with tempo. It's nothing to do with playing the right way, but about using Goodison to our advantage and putting teams on the back foot. We regularly fail to get more than 2 players into the box when we attack. Other teams commit 5 and 6 men forward, but not Dyche's Everton. You can't score goals if you commit one and two men to attacks.

It's about effective play and ineffective football. We do nothing with any purpose in attack. We pass it aimlessly sideways then back to Tarkowski or JP to hoof. The team is woefully coached.

I see, fair play. To be fair though he never
Committed many men forward at Burnley either but they had success. I’m no Everton expert so take it with a grain of salt but I don’t see two strikers that can match Wood and Barnes nor a midfielder that can place a pass like Westwood, and maybe I’m wrong but for me that’s recruitment.

 

[Toffeepot]

Had we beaten Bournemouth and 10 man Brentford we all be happy and content but we didn’t and we are where we are, luckily City remembered how to win yesterday, I don’t see us getting anything at Bournemouth

Luckily Leicester forgot how to score from a lot of big chances. We got lucky with that result for sure.
Leicester were far better against them in general play than we were

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Dyche isn't paid a relegation fodder wage

Bielsa jibbed us.

Nobody else fancied it.

Evidently, he could command those wages.

We'd have paid that 10 times over to keep us up that year anyway.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But maybe another manager doesnt play Doucs, who lets face it if he doesnt score a lucky goal offers ZERO else and hes not scoring, currently, just running around losing footballs.

Then theres Harrison, who is super plop, then he continues to play a clearly checked out DCL.

There are options, not great options, but this manager continues to play underperforming players.

Options, you say.

Yeah. Lets look at them.

Drop Harrison for Lindstrom who hasn't scored in years.

Drop Doucoure for... who?

And there is the problem. No goals and no pace all over.

 

[Toffeepot]

I see, fair play. To be fair though he never
Committed many men forward at Burnley either but they had success. I’m no Everton expert so take it with a grain of salt but I don’t see two strikers that can match Wood and Barnes nor a midfielder that can place a pass like Westwood, and maybe I’m wrong but for me that’s recruitment.

If you are talking about their sneaking into a Europa spot, that was a while ago and it wasn't long before they were figured out.

 

[ToffeeScot]

I'm saying a team that's been in successive relegation battles, staying up on the last day of the season - is in a relegation battle until it isn't.

And last season, we didn't earn 40 points until the last few games.

Concerns over relegation last season was very real going into the final stages until we beat Forest, Liverpool and Brentford in that fixture list.

Arguably that says to me that the side was better than it showed throughout large patches of that season. It's also showing to me that it's better than we are doing now.

It all indicates to me another thing which is that Dyche isn't good enough. Some of the players aren't either. Some of them are. I think that most managers in the league would get more out of them than our current manager is though.