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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

Abertonian said:
Our form was stinking before the 1st deduction, got a boost immediately after then reverted to Dyche type before a late flourish.

Despite the adversity it brought Dyche has been dining out on that points deduction.

There may have been an alternate season where without the immediate reaction to the deduction we sunk without a trace.
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We won 10 points in the 5 games before the first deduction in all fairness
 
bluestevon said:
Oh I think like with Lampard first season a set of circumstances occured which really got the fans in the us against everyone mentality and it gave the players a kick up the aris. It definitely had a positive impact the deduction of intensity throughout the side.

As I said we also dodged a huge bullet by the bottom three being that woeful they could never once apply any pressure to get us nervy.

We stick with Dyche than can see a situation similar to Lampards second season occuring actually
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That is the worry. 3 wins in half a season really Is a putrid return. And considering he's had no real injury problems compared to previous managers it's simply not good enough.
 
bluestevon said:
Problem with persevering with a dynamic situation which is going badly is eventually it won't turn around to net the same result mate.

We sacked Lampard when using dynamism as a guide we could have referenced him pulling it out at the death v pals e as a reason to persist.

Or we can look at two managers we hired who constantly kept smaller clubs up against perceived odds. Martinez at Wigan and Dyche at Burnley, until, eventually they didn't keep them up and they crashed out the league.
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This.

People use season on season trends, but it worked for Dyche until it didn’t and Burnley were relegated. We can’t be complacent against this happening this year.

The fans suggesting or pushing for change are probably not looking at that season on season trends, just the more recent trend which is poor. We’ve nailed our colours to the mast suggesting change is required.

The Dyche, seasonal trend empathisers, have not. I asked a few days ago, at what point hypothetically we get to in the season where they recognise that a change is needed. Not one person responded. It’s ok saying the ‘anti Dyche’ brigade are bedwetters etc, but for those who support the current status quo, there must surely be a red line for them. The lack of no response suggests that they haven’t thought that far through.

It’s not enough to say, if we are firmly entrenched in the bottom three’ - what does ‘firmly entrenched’ even mean? How many games left in the season would you want that change to occur at.

Every supporter should have a red line. Some don’t seem to know where it is.
 
Neiler said:
Or you can say based on previous crystalized situation, here and elsewhere he does the job.

In reality Dyche has what over 10 years and been relegated once and its hard man that judges him on that given the context of getting Burnley promoted that first year and going straight down - the toughest job in football is breaking that glass ceiling and making a Championship club a PL club - which he subsequently did. I know people like to say he's was relegated twice - but he wasn't. So on one hand you have 10+ on the other you have 1 - what's more likely to happen the 10 or the 1.
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But going down the probability rabbit hole.

Let's look at certain stats at Burnley.

Let's analyse his points per session
40, 54, 40, 54, 39, 24 (sacked after 30)

Seco d season was his European qualification I e so a drop off of 14 points can be partly excused (although not sure how 6 games which effectively served as their pre season matches can have that much impact as they exited before the group stages), they rebounded the season after but then followed another 15 point drop followed by another 15 point drop (9 if you factor in ppg over 38)

So in analysing Dyche I'd say after a season were he exceeds expectation comes often a dramatic decline the next season - both good seasons at Burnley saw a 14+15 point drop the subsequent season.

Now on current points - assuming either we would have lost the derby or will lose today, either serves the function of the half point stage, after a season he achieved 48 points he is on target to achieve 34 - a 14 point drop off.

So looking at that then frankly no I'm not at all confident we will be fine with Dyche as he's showing this season a repeated pattern he already showed several times at Burnley.

Can go into the reason for this trend but the stats back up that it does exist with him, maybe player burnout from the training methods or fatigue at the system jading players, etc.
 

bluestevon said:
But going down the probability rabbit hole.

Let's look at certain stats at Burnley.

Let's analyse his points per session
40, 54, 40, 54, 39, 24 (sacked after 30)

Seco d season was his European qualification I e so a drop off of 14 points can be partly excused (although not sure how 6 games which effectively served as their pre season matches can have that much impact as they exited before the group stages), they rebounded the season after but then followed another 15 point drop followed by another 15 point drop (9 if you factor in ppg over 38)

So in analysing Dyche I'd say after a season were he exceeds expectation comes often a dramatic decline the next season - both good seasons at Burnley saw a 14+15 point drop the subsequent season.

Now on current points - assuming either we would have lost the derby or will lose today, either serves the function of the half point stage, after a season he achieved 48 points he is on target to achieve 34 - a 14 point drop off.

So looking at that then frankly no I'm not at all confident we will be fine with Dyche as he's showing this season a repeated pattern he already showed several times at Burnley.

Can go into the reason for this trend but the stats back up that it does exist with him, maybe player burnout from the training methods or fatigue at the system jading players, etc.
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Good post, and that projection is pretty much what we are tracking to, but of course the biggest concern is our recent form and inability to crest chances and score. Even more so than last season.
 
blue to the bone said:
This thread will be interesting later .
Will there be a few missing i wonder?
Some have yet to return since Sunday
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I doubt it, but the game will be similar to the Forest one, just Bmouth pressing a bit higher, but not they won‘t take the initiative initally.

Will Dyche find the right answers, and make the players not doing the opposite of what he desired and have them play like in the first game this yr against them, I doubt it.
 

As you say that is a certain range mate.

When you look at the seasons the points began to dwindle it coincides with the Pace leveraged takeover and the change in resources, investment and selling players - like Wood went of to Newcastle etc. So you have to add the context.

We know better then most how a bad administration can be negatively impactful. I think the sample you posted is evidential of it.
 

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