2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Lob]

I will be at the hospital during and after thankfully. Looking forward to seeing the aftermath later on though. Imagine if we win it. @davek will be wanting dyche knighted and a statue built. I will just be happy getting 3 points further away from the relegation zone.

 

[Drico]

You sack managers who've lost the plot and results are heavily and constantly going against them and when the players heads have dropped.

Does that look remotely the case at Everton right now?

You sack managers when you can't score a goal for toffee, can't win a match for toffee, and can't entertain on even a cursory level.

3 wins all season, 7 goalless games in the last 9, the most ugly football in the division...and another relgatation battle. Yes, this is Everton.

Dyche may not be here to entertain - but he was here to get results. Right now, it's hugely questionable that he can get us the results we need. Every single successive game he plays either turfs him deeper into the red or helps to get his nose into the orange. It is, basically, a matter of fine judgement or standards whether or not he can do enough to get us safe. It didn't have to be like this. All he had to do was hit last season's levels...hardly an impossible task.

His regression from last season - when he earned 48 points - is staggering. I think, on balance, he is out of road. If these new owners cannot get somebody in who can improve us - maybe to the extent of by six points over the rest of the season - then we should be very concerned about their ability to significantly improve this club.

 

[bluestevon]

You sack managers who've lost the plot and results are heavily and constantly going against them and when the players heads have dropped.

Does that look remotely the case at Everton right now?

Depends does lost the plot include you don't need to coach strikers as they can smell the goal? Or insisting Harrison is playing great and a tremendous player?

As for results, yeah totally agree, we are a loss and a win for Ipswich from being in the bottom three half way through a season with two derby games still to come ...

If you think our form is at all acceptable I dunno what to say mate ... As for the heads dropping, seen that already a few times this season without doubt

 

[davek]

I will be at the hospital during and after thankfully. Looking forward to seeing the aftermath later on though. Imagine if we win it. @davek will be wanting dyche knighted and a statue built. I will just be happy getting 3 points further away from the relegation zone.

I want that anyway.

The last 2 seasons have been nothing short of miraculous.

 

[Groucho]

I can't wait to let your tires down ha.

@davek is wise to this, he now uses run-flat tyres for discomfort.......

 

[mahermi1]

It's all the practice you've had - and been encouraged to seek by club owners - that make you so trigger happy over our managerial position.

It has to stop. The instability has got us to this point of constant flux and relegation scrambles.

Basically you have to be saved from yourselves.

I know I just wish I could stop sacking Everton managers mate, can't help myself. The next one I even want pre-sacked.
Through all the years of Moshiri's trigger happy reign i was one of the ones pleading for some stability, I realise now I was wrong thanks Dave for reminding me. Sack an all !

 

[davek]

@davek is wise to this, he now uses run-flat tyres for discomfort.......

They'll have a job letting down my tires as I'll be sitting on the bike...you dont think I'm going in to watch that muck do you?

 

[HappyJack]

I was in the Gladys st lower for first time in about 20 years v forest. Atmosphere was crap: problem is Dyche has just taken the soul out of fans.

 

[Ferguson1878]

My take on Dyche is that he's the only one who really knows what he's doing at a club threatened by relegation. He's the only one standing between us and a collapse.

I have no faith in any replacement picked by any owner to solve our mess. We got Dyche two years ago and it was a complete fluke that he happened to be available and was prepared to do this job. Now some people are wanting him gone and for us to stir into the abyss again.

It's beyond belief.

He was available because he was sacked by Burnley for doing such a bad job that season , no fluke about it

 

[billyblue80]

You sack managers when you can't score a goal for toffee, can't win a match for toffee, and can't entertain on even a cursory level.

3 wins all season, 7 goalless games in the last 9, the most ugly football in the division...and another relgatation battle. Yes, this is Everton.

Dyche may not be here to entertain - but he was here to get results. Right now, it's hugely questionable that he can get us the results we need. Every single successive game he plays either turfs him deeper into the red or helps to get his nose into the orange. It is, basically, a matter of fine judgement or standards whether or not he can do enough to get us safe. It didn't have to be like this. All he had to do was hit last season's levels...hardly an impossible task.

His regression from last season - when he earned 48 points - is staggering. I think, on balance, he is out of road. If these new owners cannot get somebody in who can improve us - maybe to the extent of by six points over the rest of the season - then we should be very concerned about their ability to significantly improve this club.

That's the thing we are even worse than last season, and as someone else put it we would put up with this defensive footy if we were getting results. But its both the football is chronic and the results are poor. We are at the point where we celebrate draws, football is about winning.

 

[Neiler]

@Neiler

He's has enough time

It's not lack of time keeping him here, it's previous incompetence both financially and businesswise
He's not got long.
The worry is May might be too long

You'd think a -8 points deduction would have defo of taken us down with those stats mate, head scratcher for sure.

 

[davek]

He was available because he was sacked by Burnley for doing such a bad job that season , no fluke about it

Good job he was.

We'd be playing Plymouth or Sunderland or some such outfit today if he hadn't have been.

 

[mahermi1]

@davek is wise to this, he now uses run-flat tyres for discomfort.......

He won't even ride his bike on the road or pavement, it has to rode "on the grass" as it's harder and more painful, but it's worth it to be" Dyche fit ! "

 

[billyblue80]

I was in the Gladys st lower for first time in about 20 years v forest. Atmosphere was crap: problem is Dyche has just taken the soul out of fans.

Thats another thing stats can't quantify how much he has gutted the Goodison atmosphere. We usually get results in large part because of the support but the fans are just bereft because the team are giving us very little because of this chronic style of football.

 

[bluestevon]

Have good mates that are Leeds fans and on the last day Vs Bournemouth and they were relegated we were out having pints, they were gutted of course getting relegated - but the consensus among them was the difference between us, them and Leicester is we got to Dyche first.

The part thats often not acknowledged is we brought Dyche in to play the %s, be pragmatic and squeeze enough points to survive. Now we dont want him because because he plays %s, is pragmatic and is trying to squeeze enough point to survive.

I think many overestimate just how good we are - the posts saying "we would be far higher up the table with a different manager" scare me.

Thi G is if that's the sum goal of a club, then we go early should hd e stuck with Allardyce - as soon as that Lampard season ended Dyche had done his job he was hired for, the season after fair enough he consolidated - greatly aided by the bottom three being that woeful they never once managed to put any genuine pressure on us even with deductions and the worst winless run in the history of the club.

This season he's shown signs of serious regression and that his methods simply are failing to produce the same results - combined with a stronger bottom three (Saints aside) and in general an overall stronger set of 'other' teams - then he's put is exactly into the same place he was brought in to ensure we didn't go into again.

Yeah we can look at the. Ew stadium as some sort of if turning point that once we move we can draw a line over managers like Dyche forever, but the line about needing to ensure we stay in the league for the move will apply in perpetuity after we move also as a relegation at any point in the new grind will damage us just as badly as it would this season.

So using that logic we need to stick with managers of the ilk of Dyche or Allardyce to ensure survival. At so e poi t that becomes self fulfilling, and you will be we move past that point