2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Bryan+]

It's all the practice you've had - and been encouraged to seek by club owners - that make you so trigger happy over our managerial position.

It has to stop. The instability has got us to this point of constant flux and relegation scrambles.

Basically you have to be saved from yourselves.

Interesting choice of words there Dave.

 

[chicoazul]

I agree.

Get behind the manager, you ungrateful lot.

@chicoazul

I’m almost ready to declare for the Crybots. Let me have some space and I’ll come score the goals you need on here.

 

[Abertonian]

You'd think a -8 points deduction would have defo of taken us down with those stats mate, head scratcher for sure.

Our form was stinking before the 1st deduction, got a boost immediately after then reverted to Dyche type before a late flourish.

Despite the adversity it brought Dyche has been dining out on that points deduction.

There may have been an alternate season where without the immediate reaction to the deduction we sunk without a trace.

 

[bluestevon]

I was in the Gladys st lower for first time in about 20 years v forest. Atmosphere was crap: problem is Dyche has just taken the soul out of fans.

If it comes down to the fans to keep us up again almost then dunno if Dyche is gonna be able to tap into that whatsoever. That's about motivation and passion something he hasn't got an ounce of.

He looks fed up of the club, players imo look fed up of him, fans are fed up of both. Not a great combination those three

 

[Neiler]

Thi G is if that's the sum goal of a club, then we go early should hd e stuck with Allardyce - as soon as that Lampard season ended Dyche had done his job he was hired for, the season after fair enough he consolidated - greatly aided by the bottom three being that woeful they never once managed to put any genuine pressure on us even with deductions and the worst winless run in the history of the club.

This season he's shown signs of serious regression and that his methods simply are failing to produce the same results - combined with a stronger bottom three (Saints aside) and in general an overall stronger set of 'other' teams - then he's put is exactly into the same place he was brought in to ensure we didn't go into again.

Yeah we can look at the. Ew stadium as some sort of if turning point that once we move we can draw a line over managers like Dyche forever, but the line about needing to ensure we stay in the league for the move will apply in perpetuity after we move also as a relegation at any point in the new grind will damage us just as badly as it would this season.

So using that logic we need to stick with managers of the ilk of Dyche or Allardyce to ensure survival. At so e poi t that becomes self fulfilling, and you will be we move past that point

Id disagree mate, sure its easy to look back on season 1 and 2 and say he did well - that wasn't the case at time, i was in here manning the barricades pretty similar to the way i have been this season. so what does that tell me?

Year 1 and 2 are crystalized, year 3 is still dynamic - i mean its still at play, people are drawing conclusions still from an active dynamic unknown outcome, but based on year 1 and 2 when objective were reached, is it more or less likely that objectives in year 3 wont be reached.

 

[mahermi1]

I agree. Dyche's future is a touchstone issue for some of our more excitable supporters. If the Freidkins dont hand those supporters what they want then they'll face at first grumbling voices. But that can quickly turn to disgruntlement and then from there outright opposition.

TFG have to show their mettle here in not doing what's best for their reputation with fans who have been used to flexing their muscles over managers and getting their way but rather what's best for the stability of the club.

100% correct Dave we have shown incredible stability the last three seasons, always around the bottom of the league, we must under Dyche be allowed to continue that. In fact if we get anymore ' kin stability i may well end up being sectioned...

 

[Ferguson1878]

Good job he was.

We'd be playing Plymouth or Sunderland or some such outfit today if he hadn't have been.

Give him time the vision could still come true

 

[bluestevon]

Our form was stinking before the 1st deduction, got a boost immediately after then reverted to Dyche type before a late flourish.

Despite the adversity it brought Dyche has been dining out on that points deduction.

There may have been an alternate season where without the immediate reaction to the deduction we sunk without a trace.

Oh I think like with Lampard first season a set of circumstances occured which really got the fans in the us against everyone mentality and it gave the players a kick up the aris. It definitely had a positive impact the deduction of intensity throughout the side.

As I said we also dodged a huge bullet by the bottom three being that woeful they could never once apply any pressure to get us nervy.

We stick with Dyche than can see a situation similar to Lampards second season occuring actually

 

[bluestevon]

Id disagree mate, sure its easy to look back on season 1 and 2 and say he did well - that wasn't the case at time, i was in here manning the barricades pretty similar to the way i have been this season. so what does that tell me?

Year 1 and 2 are crystalized, year 3 is still dynamic - i mean its still at play, people are drawing conclusions still from an active dynamic unknown outcome, but based on year 1 and 2 when objective were reached, is it more or less likely that objectives in year 3 wont be reached.

Problem with persevering with a dynamic situation which is going badly is eventually it won't turn around to net the same result mate.

We sacked Lampard when using dynamism as a guide we could have referenced him pulling it out at the death v pals e as a reason to persist.

Or we can look at two managers we hired who constantly kept smaller clubs up against perceived odds. Martinez at Wigan and Dyche at Burnley, until, eventually they didn't keep them up and they crashed out the league.

 

[Abertonian]

Oh I think like with Lampard first season a set of circumstances occured which really got the fans in the us against everyone mentality and it gave the players a kick up the aris. It definitely had a positive impact the deduction of intensity throughout the side.

As I said we also dodged a huge bullet by the bottom three being that woeful they could never once apply any pressure to get us nervy.

We stick with Dyche than can see a situation similar to Lampards second season occuring actually

The warning signs are all there this season. The stats are indefensible, we arent winning games, he's throwing the players under the bus publicly and it's hard to understand how anyone can relate to the utter wham he is spouting

The worry is that he gets binned late like Benitez did and there is no time to do anything in the window to help. If he doesn't go in the next week it's probably better to keep him until summer but the real risk is that a run like last season, which doesnt look inconceivable, and we will be relegated.

Still want to win today though.

 

[degsy]

You'd think a -8 points deduction would have defo of taken us down with those stats mate, head scratcher for sure.

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance...not the way Dyche sets us up, at best it not to lose and sometimes he even gets that wrong and we somehow win despite ourselves

3pts Vs Bournemouth - however welcome - just kicks the decision down the road

0 pts ?????

 

[Neiler]

Problem with persevering with a dynamic situation which is going badly is eventually it won't turn around to net the same result mate.

We sacked Lampard when using dynamism as a guide we could have referenced him pulling it out at the death v pals e as a reason to persist.

Or we can look at two managers we hired who constantly kept smaller clubs up against perceived odds. Martinez at Wigan and Dyche at Burnley, until, eventually they didn't keep them up and they crashed out the league.

Or you can say based on previous crystalized situation, here and elsewhere he does the job.

In reality Dyche has what over 10 years and been relegated once and its a hard man that judges him on that given the context of getting Burnley promoted that first year and going straight down - the toughest job in football is breaking that glass ceiling and making a Championship club a PL club - which he subsequently did. I know people like to say he's was relegated twice - but he wasn't. So on one hand you have 10+ on the other you have 1 - what's more likely to happen the 10 or the 1.

 

[bluestevon]

Or you can say based on previous crystalized situation, here and elsewhere he does the job.

In reality Dyche has what over 10 years and been related once and its had man that judges him on that given the context of getting Burnley promoted that first year. I know people like to say hes was related twice - but he wasn't. So on one hand you have 10+ on the other you have 1 - what's more likely to happen the 10 or the 1.

Statistically every year which the one doesn't happen the chance of it happening the following season rises substantially mate...

 

[Neiler]

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance...not the way Dyche sets us up, at best it not to lose and sometimes he even gets that wrong and we somehow win despite ourselves

3pts Vs Bournemouth - however welcome - just kicks the decision down the road

0 pts ?????

Its no guarantee mate, nothing is but, its an indicator.

3 points today has us tracking 40 points, with a game to go to the half way point of the season, optimal no, but would any of us take it now, i think we all would.

All ifs and buts mind.

 

[Neiler]

Statistically every year which the one doesn't happen the chance of it happening the following season rises substantially mate...

Manchester City must be quaking mate!

Actually they could go.