2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Rooney_Tunes]

Dyche knows 3 weeks before a game

He knew the lineup to play Villa next week at the beginning of the season.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Wish I never said it now just in case!!

HAHA

 

[b-rad]

Dyche knows 3 weeks before a game

I did add a comment similar to this, but wanted to make sure mine read like a genuine question. I would have thought that how every player trained during the week would have been inportant. Maybe 7-8 pistons are nailed down ‘if fit’ but surely players have got to have a chance to impress in training, or to just not be at the races or pick up a niggle the day before a game?

 

[neil999]

Wish I never said it now just in case!!

HAHA

You could be in BIG trouble!

 

[Marius57]

Wish I never said it now just in case!!

HAHA

Just stuck my entire savings on it based off your certainty in the first comment.

 

[Marius57]

I did add a comment similar to this, but wanted to make sure mine read like a genuine question. I would have thought that how every player trained during the week would have been inportant. Maybe 7-8 pistons are nailed down ‘if fit’ but surely players have got to have a chance to impress in training, or to just not be at the races or pick up a niggle the day before a game?

You’ve seen his team selections this season right?

All of that is true for 99.99% of managers. But not our Sean.

 

[PhilEFC]

Wish I never said it now just in case!!

HAHA

It’s alright mate, everyone will just hold you to it!

 

[Lloydaldo11]

You can't guarantee dyche gets us safety. Nobody can. Just as getting a new manager doesn't guarantee us safety either.

The only thing to go on is current form and how performances/results are trending. At the moment, it is trending downwards. The question is what can dyche do to change it? If it is only "hope that garner and McNeill are fit again soon", we are in trouble.

It's now up to the owners whether they stick or twist. Either way, they'll be judged on their choice.

The last thing you want is to be thinking “what if” with 8 games to go and we are cut adrift in the bottom three. You’ve seen teams (including Burnley) pull the trigger at that point but the cause is already lost.

From TFG’s position, it’s not a good look to dither and make that mistake, especially as the stench in the media, stands and forums is of how bad the football is.

Someone mentioned a list of draws as “hardly a crisis” with a counter post of all the other draws/losses shortly after but neither of those lists showed us week on week with less than 30% possession, low to no shots, poor passing completion etc.

Quality in possession and shots create goals, the tactics are decided by Dyche and the long standing trend going back two years and getting worse every week falls on him and exactly why it’s time to go.

At this rate, I struggle to see us gaining more than 28 points by the end of the season if he stays.

 

[davek]

Define cemented

The substance between your ears.

 

[b-rad]

You’ve seen his team selections this season right?

If it’s based on this season, then knowing the team three days in advance doesn’t really count as ITK

 

[milks]

My advice is to be careful what you wish for.

There's no way you can guarantee we get a manager in who can cope as well as Dyche has here for 2 years operating under the strain he's endured.

I would put it at 90% Dyche gets th required points to keep us up.

We are tough to beat and dont go on long losing streaks.

If these owners are wobbling on Dyche they better have around £50M/£60M to spend on players this window...and they better have a Plan B if that change goes disastrously wrong...which it stands a good chance of doing.

Dyche = safety
A.N.Other manager = risk

I've said this since the TFG took control.

There has to be a plan to appoint a new manager who the club proactively want (someone currently employed who won't leave their existing role before the end of the season: Ireola, Frank etc.) to oversee the rebuild of the playing squad from June onwards.

Everton remain a huge attraction for the managers we should be looking to approach - money, a full and uninterrupted summer program, the chance to basically build a new squad from scratch and of course BMD.

If the call to sack Dyche is made now, then TFG are immediately settling for a lesser quality of managerial appointment; not bringing in their planned appointment; but instead settling for someone whose prime attributes are 1) available immediately and 2) not Sean Dyche. This will result in at least an 18 month contract and the football side of the rebuild in the hands of someone who was not their preferred manager.

New manager bounces aren't guaranteed - Southampton, Leicester have made changes; business as usual there. We've tried interim appointments before; Unsworth, Ferguson - the fans turned on them when they unsurprisingly weren't great managers - they don't work either. The only two I can think of who would be available and potentially interested in the long term project would be Potter and ten Haag; but would either of them fill us with confidence of turning the current group into a more efficient group?

The football has been awful these past two games, but there are reasons beyond the shouts of Dyche is putting 9 men behind the ball and playing anti-football - we've got such a thin (and poor quality) squad that the absence of McNeil has been huge. He's one of three players in the squad capable of retaining possession of the ball whilst we counter - Ndiaye and Garner being the others. There will be an immediate improvement in what the side can do when the pair of them are back - hopefully a fortnight's training will help ensure this. The Forest and Bournemouth games have been bad, primarily because the players we have aren't capable of playing counter attacking football (let alone front-foot football).

Can't wait to see the back of Dyche, but Everton are at such a tipping point all hinging on being 17th or higher come May. I'm genuinely worried about the next 18-months if the club make the wrong appointment now.

 

[davek]

If Everton are ‘cemented into the relegation zone’ then there’s no point sacking him. The whole idea of sacking him is to pull away from relegation.

This is like saying, ‘once I’m riddled with Covid, then Ill take the vaccine.’

No, there's enough time to react.

 

[MikeH72]

No, there's enough time to react.

If we stay 1 point clear of the relegation zone from now until May, and then drop into it, there’s not enough time to react then is there?

 

[davek]

I've said this since the TFG took control.

There has to be a plan to appoint a new manager who the club proactively want (someone currently employed who won't leave their existing role before the end of the season: Ireola, Frank etc.) to oversee the rebuild of the playing squad from June onwards.

Everton remain a huge attraction for the managers we should be looking to approach - money, a full and uninterrupted summer program, the chance to basically build a new squad from scratch and of course BMD.

If the call to sack Dyche is made now, then TFG are immediately settling for a lesser quality of managerial appointment; not bringing in their planned appointment; but instead settling for someone whose prime attributes are 1) available immediately and 2) not Sean Dyche. This will result in at least an 18 month contract and the football side of the rebuild in the hands of someone who was not their preferred manager.

New manager bounces aren't guaranteed - Southampton, Leicester have made changes; business as usual there. We've tried interim appointments before; Unsworth, Ferguson - the fans turned on them when they unsurprisingly weren't great managers - they don't work either. The only two I can think of who would be available and potentially interested in the long term project would be Potter and ten Haag; but would either of them fill us with confidence of turning the current group into a more efficient group?

The football has been awful these past two games, but there are reasons beyond the shouts of Dyche is putting 9 men behind the ball and playing anti-football - we've got such a thin (and poor quality) squad that the absence of McNeil has been huge. He's one of three players in the squad capable of retaining possession of the ball whilst we counter - Ndiaye and Garner being the others. There will be an immediate improvement in what the side can do when the pair of them are back - hopefully a fortnight's training will help ensure this. The Forest and Bournemouth games have been bad, primarily because the players we have aren't capable of playing counter attacking football (let alone front-foot football).

Can't wait to see the back of Dyche, but Everton are at such a tipping point all hinging on being 17th or higher come May. I'm genuinely worried about the next 18-months if the club make the wrong appointment now.

Pretty much my view on matters this.

 

[Marius57]

No, there's enough time to react.

And if they fail to save us from being “cemented in the relegation zone”, whose fault is it?