2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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in baines we trust

Utft

 

[davek]

If we stay 1 point clear of the relegation zone from now until May, and then drop into it, there’s not enough time to react then is there?

That's a nonsense hypothesis.

 

[jayden28]

The shocking results in pre season was a signal that this season was gonna be a disaster

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

I've said this since the TFG took control.

There has to be a plan to appoint a new manager who the club proactively want (someone currently employed who won't leave their existing role before the end of the season: Ireola, Frank etc.) to oversee the rebuild of the playing squad from June onwards.

Everton remain a huge attraction for the managers we should be looking to approach - money, a full and uninterrupted summer program, the chance to basically build a new squad from scratch and of course BMD.

If the call to sack Dyche is made now, then TFG are immediately settling for a lesser quality of managerial appointment; not bringing in their planned appointment; but instead settling for someone whose prime attributes are 1) available immediately and 2) not Sean Dyche. This will result in at least an 18 month contract and the football side of the rebuild in the hands of someone who was not their preferred manager.

New manager bounces aren't guaranteed - Southampton, Leicester have made changes; business as usual there. We've tried interim appointments before; Unsworth, Ferguson - the fans turned on them when they unsurprisingly weren't great managers - they don't work either. The only two I can think of who would be available and potentially interested in the long term project would be Potter and ten Haag; but would either of them fill us with confidence of turning the current group into a more efficient group?

The football has been awful these past two games, but there are reasons beyond the shouts of Dyche is putting 9 men behind the ball and playing anti-football - we've got such a thin (and poor quality) squad that the absence of McNeil has been huge. He's one of three players in the squad capable of retaining possession of the ball whilst we counter - Ndiaye and Garner being the others. There will be an immediate improvement in what the side can do when the pair of them are back - hopefully a fortnight's training will help ensure this. The Forest and Bournemouth games have been bad, primarily because the players we have aren't capable of playing counter attacking football (let alone front-foot football).

Can't wait to see the back of Dyche, but Everton are at such a tipping point all hinging on being 17th or higher come May. I'm genuinely worried about the next 18-months if the club make the wrong appointment now.

So, you have only watched the last two games?

 

[MikeH72]

That's a nonsense hypothesis.

Feel free to explain how exactly.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Forgive me but that's the kind of the attitude that has gotten us into PSR breaches. You could be forced into selling one of our few remaining marketable assets for a knock down price if you are reliant on that kind of thing. No guarantees we finish much further than we are now as we are starting to get gapped. All being equal utd and Spurs will get out of our reach sooner or later, leaving West Ham and Palace. So a possible 6m extra up for grabs and who says we haven't already budgeted to finish 14th based on last year points haul.

If we can move on someone first and make the numbers work, then that is the correct way about it. How much of it's true we don't know, but I believe it would at least effect this window's transfer budget. Then you get on to which manager is available, how much do they want upfront and their staff and any other conditions. If you hire someone and they fail completely then you are looking to pay up at least an 18 month contract before you hire again. All this has to go into the melting pot.

All of these are valid points but I was responding to a post that Dyche CANNOT be sacked because we WILL fail PSR if we do. That’s bobbins as evasive measures (if unpleasant) can always be taken.

 

[uglykidjoe1982]

No, there's enough time to react.

If there’s enough time to react, then we’re not ‘cemented’, are we?

If we react now then we know there is enough time, we don’t know how long to give him and still have ‘time to react’.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Gone

Can I put a bet on this?

 

[COYBL25]

My advice is to be careful what you wish for.

There's no way you can guarantee we get a manager in who can cope as well as Dyche has here for 2 years operating under the strain he's endured.

I would put it at 90% Dyche gets th required points to keep us up.

We are tough to beat and dont go on long losing streaks.

If these owners are wobbling on Dyche they better have around £50M/£60M to spend on players this window...and they better have a Plan B if that change goes disastrously wrong...which it stands a good chance of doing.

Dyche = safety

Hang on, only a few days ago, weren`t you shouting from the roof tops, that Dyche was going nowhere, had the full backing of the owners and you were blaming the pitchforkers in the fan base for trying force another manager out ????????

 

[davek]

And if they fail to save us from being “cemented in the relegation zone”, whose fault is it?

Then we're down.

But we have aknoowm quantity in Dyche. That's the clincher for me.

 

[Curtis]

My advice is to be careful what you wish for.

There's no way you can guarantee we get a manager in who can cope as well as Dyche has here for 2 years operating under the strain he's endured.

I would put it at 90% Dyche gets th required points to keep us up.

We are tough to beat and dont go on long losing streaks.

If these owners are wobbling on Dyche they better have around £50M/£60M to spend on players this window...and they better have a Plan B if that change goes disastrously wrong...which it stands a good chance of doing.

Dyche = safety
A.N.Other manager = risk

So coping with circumstances is winning 3 games all season where crystal palace who were atrocious along with wolves have as many or more wins then us , we barely have a shot on goal during games even against more beatable teams

 

[Marius57]

Hang on, only a few days ago, weren`t you shouting from the roof tops, that Dyche was going nowhere, had the full backing of the owners and you were blaming the pitchforkers in the fan base for trying force another manager out ????????

Stick it with all his other predictions, such as that we will beat Bournemouth

 

[YoboCopter]

Can I put a bet on this?

Ive done 5 grand hope this poster is legit
Ive just gone off his got value and its fairly high so must be legit

 

[b-rad]

Then we're down.

But we have aknoowm quantity in Dyche. That's the clincher for me.

We have a known quantity in DCL up front. Doesn’t mean it’s good though.

 

[Neiler]

Because it Myers, i think its a softening up toward making a decision if im honest, if hes briefed its a brief with a purpose, you should hear anon whether hes backed or its time to go.

The theory has always been that these players are better then they are showing under this manager - im not convinced about that at all - but it could be about to be tested, I'm uneasy about that because i believe this is a very deficient team on a number of metrics.