MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
You can’t.
2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked
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You can’t.
You can say you don’t want to accept it
That happened with Ian Holloway at Blackpool
He offered his resignation after an FA charge and the chairman didn’t accept it, so he carried on as manager
He could have quit after that point if he really wanted to go, but the club could enforce a no compete if he had time left on his deal, meaning he couldn’t take another job in that time
Lobworm
Player Valuation: £8m
Isn't Thelwell is in charge of player recruitment, so it's not Dyche being 'backed' as such? Playing devils advocate, if after last season, the target was 12th, and he's said 'even with decent recruitment that's going to be difficult' then that could be construed by the owners as throwing the towel in. Truth be told no one knows what the targets set were, or the reasons for sacking/resigning whatever.
I personally think more than a few of the players got pee'd off with him and his methods, and, he was possibly made aware of that, combined with the above made the post untenable. I don't really follow this forum close enough to know any cliques (aside from us, hard as nails, non-league ultras) but it is probably fair to say that a lack of money over the last few years will have cost us.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
You cannot force anyone to stay in a job if they’re offering to terminate their contract and waive their right to compensation. You can make them work a minimum notice period, that’s it. Holloway was probably looking for a payout and they refused that, same as Dyche here.
CielosGrises
Player Valuation: £20m
He doesn't want a relegation on his CV and happy to take the money, a quiet quit - TFG were having none of it.
Nymzee
Player Valuation: £150m
Already has one.
Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £50m
Its already on it.
Saying that. A relegation with Everton is a different matter.
First Everton manager to be relegated in 75 years.
(None of it to do with him mind)
ElGato
Player Valuation: £10m
I'm pretty grateful to Dyche for what he has done at the club. Kept us up twice in a row under points deductions. Finishing 15th last year (nominal 11th without the penalty, was it, level on points with Brighton?) was a real achievement and I thought he found a good balance between defence and attack. We weren't (as many would have you believe) so bad on the eye at times. It was effective, direct football, and I wasn't against that, especially with the personnel that we had.
However we strengthened the squad over the summer with different profile of players and he had to demonstrate progression this year, both in terms of league position and style of play. I actually thought, with the way we were playing early in the season (bit higher up the pitch) that we were on to something. Although we lost both, I thought the Bournemouth and Villa games showed promise for the year ahead. In fact, the reason we lost those games I would argue was down to I) ineffective in game tactical management; and II) poor team selection in defence. However those games seem to have been a turning point for Dyche - who since then has given up on trying to score under the misapprehension that it was an imbalance between trying to attack and trying to defend which led to our losses. When in actual fact it was him and his decision-making pre and in game.
The moments which did it for me this season:
I) starting Keane over O'Brien during the Branthwaite injury. Exactly the same mistake from the beginning of last year - starting us off with a 3 or 4 loss handicap. And a real indication that Dyche has his favourites. Apparently Keane had ' a good pre-season'... playing in all of our losses? Only games we looked good pre-season were when O'Brien played? Baffling
II) ostracising Patterson. Yes he leaves us more open at the back when he plays, yes he can lose his positioning sometimes... but my god we look so much more of a threat with him in the team. Good coaches and tacticians would a) structure us off the ball to account for the space he leaves and offer him support or cover; and b) coach him to be better.
III) mis-use of Doucoure. Play him against teams who we want to press high - guy has got a great engine and is a total menace off the ball in the final third. Don't play him against teams where we need to defend and counter attack, where we need good quality on the ball to use it well when we have it. Dyche seemed to use him the wrong way round?
IV) Harrison. This guy has all the tools, left foot right foot, great engine, great first touch. But bricks it when he needs to make good decisions or actions to score or create goals. Missed a trio of sitters off the bench at Wolves and then proceeded to start the next 5 games on the bounce. I mean, come on. Should be a wing back, not a winger. Lindstrom has looked brittle as an alternative - but again that is because the guy is receiving the ball with his back to goal in his own half most of the time. Get him one v one and facing up his defender and he's got a great shimmy and whip into the box. I'm not convinced we couldn't have used him better in a better system.
V) Where are the young players? Armstrong too little too late.
Ultimately Dyche has paid the price for his tactical conservatism and inability to be fluid/adaptable from a systems and team selection perspective. These traits kept us up last few seasons - but now we are building a squad that has a slightly different set of qualities - these are the traits that would have taken us down.
Glad to see him go, but also grateful for his work
However we strengthened the squad over the summer with different profile of players and he had to demonstrate progression this year, both in terms of league position and style of play. I actually thought, with the way we were playing early in the season (bit higher up the pitch) that we were on to something. Although we lost both, I thought the Bournemouth and Villa games showed promise for the year ahead. In fact, the reason we lost those games I would argue was down to I) ineffective in game tactical management; and II) poor team selection in defence. However those games seem to have been a turning point for Dyche - who since then has given up on trying to score under the misapprehension that it was an imbalance between trying to attack and trying to defend which led to our losses. When in actual fact it was him and his decision-making pre and in game.
The moments which did it for me this season:
I) starting Keane over O'Brien during the Branthwaite injury. Exactly the same mistake from the beginning of last year - starting us off with a 3 or 4 loss handicap. And a real indication that Dyche has his favourites. Apparently Keane had ' a good pre-season'... playing in all of our losses? Only games we looked good pre-season were when O'Brien played? Baffling
II) ostracising Patterson. Yes he leaves us more open at the back when he plays, yes he can lose his positioning sometimes... but my god we look so much more of a threat with him in the team. Good coaches and tacticians would a) structure us off the ball to account for the space he leaves and offer him support or cover; and b) coach him to be better.
III) mis-use of Doucoure. Play him against teams who we want to press high - guy has got a great engine and is a total menace off the ball in the final third. Don't play him against teams where we need to defend and counter attack, where we need good quality on the ball to use it well when we have it. Dyche seemed to use him the wrong way round?
IV) Harrison. This guy has all the tools, left foot right foot, great engine, great first touch. But bricks it when he needs to make good decisions or actions to score or create goals. Missed a trio of sitters off the bench at Wolves and then proceeded to start the next 5 games on the bounce. I mean, come on. Should be a wing back, not a winger. Lindstrom has looked brittle as an alternative - but again that is because the guy is receiving the ball with his back to goal in his own half most of the time. Get him one v one and facing up his defender and he's got a great shimmy and whip into the box. I'm not convinced we couldn't have used him better in a better system.
V) Where are the young players? Armstrong too little too late.
Ultimately Dyche has paid the price for his tactical conservatism and inability to be fluid/adaptable from a systems and team selection perspective. These traits kept us up last few seasons - but now we are building a squad that has a slightly different set of qualities - these are the traits that would have taken us down.
Glad to see him go, but also grateful for his work
CJR
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Just a thought but has anyone given any credence to idea that maybe TFG said to him no players this month and no contract extension, but we expect you to win more games and keep us up and he said sorry that's not possible, this group of players are rubbish and I can't do any more with them!
We might not want to hear it but it is possible that the new finance head as looked at the books and said nothing getting spent this month, Dyche is getting all the grief every week and just said do you know what I don't need this.
We might not want to hear it but it is possible that the new finance head as looked at the books and said nothing getting spent this month, Dyche is getting all the grief every week and just said do you know what I don't need this.
Evertonthat
Player Valuation: £10m
By the sounds of it, Dyche still wanted his pay out though, in which case it can be refused. It seems TFG have negotiated some pay out, but not what Dyche was asking for. Its a bit like if I was to resign my Job, my boss would have to accept it. However if i resigned but requested paying till the end of June, he might have a few things to say.
Quite a few posts talking about being grateful for dyches work and I'm a little bored of the media narrative that he was doing a good job.
I'm as grateful for dyche as I am for Doucoure's goal that kept us up. Both important in a moment of need but neither the answer for us moving forward.
Felt a bit harsh writing this about Douc as he does try and unlike some other players (and dyche for that matter) seems to care about being here.
I'm as grateful for dyche as I am for Doucoure's goal that kept us up. Both important in a moment of need but neither the answer for us moving forward.
Felt a bit harsh writing this about Douc as he does try and unlike some other players (and dyche for that matter) seems to care about being here.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
lapping up media reports as gospel. Never change.
It's from before his time here - and he's never had a problem with the fans. He's always said he's not had a problem with the fans ever since he's been here.
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