2022/23 Sean Dyche

[windymiller]

You could be right but the then problem will they be with those fans who don’t realise where we are currently. It’s no good seeing fans on tv or media saying we are Everton. What does that even mean?. We have been pathetic as a footballing club for years. Change is Needed and yes it will take time of course it will, the damage to the club has been happing for a decade if not more internally. It won’t be fixed over night it will take a few years if I’m honest and that’s best case scenario. The only goal right now that matters is the ship is steadied by dyche by whatever means that is beneficial to the welfare of the club. It’s a miracle that we have managed to stay in the the league the last 2 seasons. Get the club stable!. Then worry about playing like prime barca after that.

What is "stable" in this context? Three seventeenth place finishes? Would that really be stable, if at the end of it we have an untalented, one dimensional squad of very fit but very limited footballers?

The stability issues that count are at the boardroom and operational level and are quite independent of Sean Dyche. No amount of conservative football will make any difference to our trajectory until we are run like a proper club.

 

[windymiller]

If we win more than we lose, nobody will care at all.
Honestly I’ve enjoyed the Dyche system when it worked possibly more than any boss since Martinez when he made it work season 1.

For the first time in years (possibly Allardyce) we’ve not looked like conceding every time we’re defending. However, and very differently to Allardyce, when we get the ball we go forward with pace and power and commit numbers into the opposition box.

We’ve not had a good enough squad for years to play ‘we’ll score more than you’ football - see how that eventually worked out for Leeds - so this measured but still exciting going forward approach is all good with me.

For all their plaudits, it’s effectively the same style the RS played. Solid defence and high running trying to get the ball in the box quickly and effectively and I didn’t hear their fans complaining about style of play when they were winning every week

Is there any evidence that this will happen?

 

[Dougie]

What is "stable" in this context? Three seventeenth place finishes? Would that really be stable, if at the end of it we have an untalented, one dimensional squad of very fit but very limited footballers?

The stability issues that count are at the boardroom and operational level and are quite independent of Sean Dyche. No amount of conservative football will make any difference to our trajectory until we are run like a proper club.

Stability is not being in a relegation fight year after year. I also disagree with you on the boardroom and football side being independent. If we have a board that does its job for example commercial revenue streams not being big standard, this in return has a direct impact on what players we can afford to buy and pay. If fans want Everton to be free flowing possession based, then we will require a major overall which also means more money. One of the greatest mangers in history Carlo came here and played defensive football. I for one don’t trust this group of players to play the way man city, rs or Brighton play. It’s all mute this anyway as the whole fan base will never be pleased no matter what way we play. The important question here is do you back Sean dyche?

 

[twoblue]

End of the day if it doesn’t end European football and a trophy someone’s calling for the manager to go.
We had everyone saying we had no chance of staying up in January, same people now saying Dyche needs to go.
Our next target is become a middle table sidewith a minimal spend, by winning more home games. Dyche is a decent option for the next step

Stability is not being in a relegation fight year after year. I also disagree with you on the boardroom and football side being independent. If we have a board that does its job for example commercial revenue streams not being big standard, this in return has a direct impact on what players we can afford to buy and pay. If fans want Everton to be free flowing possession based, then we will require a major overall which also means more money. One of the greatest mangers in history Carlo came here and played defensive football. I for one don’t trust this group of players to play the way man city, rs or Brighton play. It’s all mute this anyway as the whole fan base will never be pleased no matter what way we play. The important question here is do you back Sean dyche?

 

[Zatara]

You don’t know how forums work soft lad, hope you delete your account when BFS relegates Leeds

Ive had him on ignore for ages but perhaps he took your advice?

Imagine thinking to interview him.

Interviewing him.

Sleeping on it. Then hiring him.

Relegation. Writing him a cheque and "thanking him for his services".

Leeds should be dissolved.

DIrty Leeds deserve all they get.

 

[davek]

Yup. As bad as we have been, I am really encouraged by what the manager got out of the players he had. As you know, I don't spare our players criticism, but nobody could deny the sheer effort and heart these players showed in the last few weeks when their backs were well and truly against the wall. Last-minute goals against Spurs, Chelsea, and Wolves, battling away draws at Forest and Leicester when the pressure was at its highest pitch, and gritty desire to see off Leeds and Bournemouth when the need was greatest. I havent even mentioned the miracle of Brighton. The manager deserves unbelievable credit for getting that out of those players - especially as that was achieved largely without a centre-forward or full backs.

A couple of judicious signings in key areas will go a long way to giving us a real go at respectability next season. That's not to underestimate the huge job ahead - a complete rebuild - but I have seen enough to trust the manager to begin that long process competently. He won't rebuild in a summer, but he will improve us, in my view, and buy time to continue the rebuild.

Luton, Sheffield United, and Burnley are not exactly powerhouse Premier League mainstays. All will likely struggle next season. Bournemouth, Forest, and Wolves are no better than us. Who knows what West Ham will do when they sack Moyes. That could go either way. And there's always a chance that a Brentford or Brighton will return to Earth with a bang if they fall prey to the vultures over the summer.

Next season promises more difficulty, but we start it with a proper manager rather than a charlatan. That's got to be worth a six-point start over last season.

As long as people dont start agitating for Dyche's removal because we're not midtable next season we should get out of this relegation merry-go-round.

After the last two seasons we have to be really humble and accept we're going to be lucky to be where Palace were this season: never in the mix for top 10 but never really in serious danger.

Some will grumble about that and start compiling lists of hipster managers they want installed. They have to be countered when they kick off and not allowed to put the skids under another Everton manager - or else we will finally be relegated.

 

[windymiller]

Stability is not being in a relegation fight year after year. I also disagree with you on the boardroom and football side being independent. If we have a board that does its job for example commercial revenue streams not being big standard, this in return has a direct impact on what players we can afford to buy and pay. If fans want Everton to be free flowing possession based, then we will require a major overall which also means more money. One of the greatest mangers in history Carlo came here and played defensive football. I for one don’t trust this group of players to play the way man city, rs or Brighton play. It’s all mute this anyway as the whole fan base will never be pleased no matter what way we play. The important question here is do you back Sean dyche?

Of course I back him, he's Everton's manager, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to point out his flaws or worry that he isn't necessarily the best manager for the future of the club. I find it weird that this forum routinely seems to demand that people fall in line with an absolutist position on things. "If you don't unwaveringly support the Everton manager and hail him as the new footballing messiah then you're not a true Evertonian", it's a load of bollocks. Many posters, including yourself it seems to me, seem to think that there is only one way through this crisis and that way is ultra-cautious football and consecutive 13th-17th place finishes. Loads of teams with limited resources have shown that that thesis is false. I'm not saying it won't work with Dyche, we all hope it will, but to suggest that his way is the only way through this is disingenuous.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

As long as people dont start agitating for Dyche's removal because we're not midtable next season we should get out of this relegation merry-go-round.

After the last two seasons we have to be really humble and accept we're going to be lucky to be where Palace were this season: never in the mix for top 10 but never really in serious danger.

Some will grumble about that and start compiling lists of hipster managers they want installed. They have to be countered when they kick off and not allowed to put the skids under another Everton manager - or else we will finally be relegated.

I think next seasons relegation battle will be a boring one for the neutral - Sheff Utd & Luton will both likely go back down leaving the 1 spot up for grabs.

Dyche wont need to do much to keep us up imo.

 

[davek]

I think next seasons relegation battle will be a boring one for the neutral - Sheff Utd & Luton will both likely go back down leaving the 1 spot up for grabs.

Dyche wont need to do much to keep us up imo.

I watched Luton last week and couldn't believe they're in the PL now.

An outrageoulsy bad outfit.

 

[Gilbert..]

I think next seasons relegation battle will be a boring one for the neutral - Sheff Utd & Luton will both likely go back down leaving the 1 spot up for grabs.

Dyche wont need to do much to keep us up imo.

The league has changed because of money and its levelled it out, id say about 13 clubs could easly be relegated now. Everton are in that group.

 

[Dougie]

Of course I back him, he's Everton's manager, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to point out his flaws or worry that he isn't necessarily the best manager for the future of the club. I find it weird that this forum routinely seems to demand that people fall in line with an absolutist position on things. "If you don't unwaveringly support the Everton manager and hail him as the new footballing messiah then you're not a true Evertonian", it's a load of bollocks. Many posters, including yourself it seems to me, seem to think that there is only one way through this crisis and that way is ultra-cautious football and consecutive 13th-17th place finishes. Loads of teams with limited resources have shown that that thesis is false. I'm not saying it won't work with Dyche, we all hope it will, but to suggest that his way is the only way through this is disingenuous.

I don’t know where you think I’m trying to get people to fall in line, that’s just a stupid comment. I respect your opinion even if I don’t agree with it, it also doesn’t mean it’s not right either. I asked do you back dyche only to see if your opinion was based on your own preference to a manager with certain way of playing. You mention other clubs with limited budgets, but fail to mention that those clubs have got a brilliant scouting network in place which don’t have an owner and or a board and chairman who get in the way. We may have a brilliant scouting network but for many reasons it’s not working or being allowed to work. I don’t see dyche taken us to Europe, but I do see him creating the foundations for a few seasons for someone to come in and take us forward. He works with tight budgets, and gets the best out of crap. I my be naive yes, but right now I couldn’t think of worse plan than to sack him appoint a manager who plays more possession based and within 6 months getting sacked. For the simple reason we have not got the players to play that way. We have not got the money to overhaul this squad. If we right now where solid 10-12th last 2 seasons then yes I would go with a progressive manager but right now this seasons coming for me it’s not the right time. If you disagree, that’s perfectly fine.

 

[Tylard]

I'm with the stability talk. I think Dyche is the best option we have for next year. Avoid a relegation fight and focus on getting the rest of our house in order (board, wages, FFP, stadium) and have a little bit of breathing room. There is so much we have to do before we can start dreaming of Europe and good players and managers. It's baby steps and I back Dyche to take us forward with baby steps.

 

[blulouie]

As long as people dont start agitating for Dyche's removal because we're not midtable next season we should get out of this relegation merry-go-round.

After the last two seasons we have to be really humble and accept we're going to be lucky to be where Palace were this season: never in the mix for top 10 but never really in serious danger.

Some will grumble about that and start compiling lists of hipster managers they want installed. They have to be countered when they kick off and not allowed to put the skids under another Everton manager - or else we will finally be relegated.

The last 2 seasons we have been in a relegation scrap due to the managers (& team) being woeful , and thus being sacked with another coming in.

Dyche shouldn't be treated any different, if he messes up by Xmas he will rightly be booted. This season's escape will have no baring on next season.

Let's all hope he doesn't mess up.

 

[windymiller]

I don’t know where you think I’m trying to get people to fall in line, that’s just a stupid comment. I respect your opinion even if I don’t agree with it, it also doesn’t mean it’s not right either. I asked do you back dyche only to see if your opinion was based on your own preference to a manager with certain way of playing. You mention other clubs with limited budgets, but fail to mention that those clubs have got a brilliant scouting network in place which don’t have an owner and or a board and chairman who get in the way. We may have a brilliant scouting network but for many reasons it’s not working or being allowed to work. I don’t see dyche taken us to Europe, but I do see him creating the foundations for a few seasons for someone to come in and take us forward. He works with tight budgets, and gets the best out of crap. I my be naive yes, but right now I couldn’t think of worse plan than to sack him appoint a manager who plays more possession based and within 6 months getting sacked. For the simple reason we have not got the players to play that way. We have not got the money to overhaul this squad. If we right now where solid 10-12th last 2 seasons then yes I would go with a progressive manager but right now this seasons coming for me it’s not the right time. If you disagree, that’s perfectly fine.

You won't find a post by me suggesting Dyche be sacked, I haven't said it, and in fact have said he's earned the right to lead the club. You are right, however, that Sean Dyche's brand of football is not to my taste, and I can't understand the enthusiasm for him. His Burnley team were awful to watch and, ultimately, his model of play failed there. We have also been awful to watch, with one or two exceptions, and my fear is that the way Dyche plays, coupled with his reluctance to make changes to his preferred line up before and during the game, is not as risk free, or "stable" if you prefer, as some on here are suggesting.

Crazy as it sounds, if I spend three figures for a day out I would like to have some entertainment. Years of hoping to eek out 1-0 victories with a set piece or a rare counter attack doesn't sound like much fun and will put off a generation of fans that we are already struggling to attract.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The league has changed because of money and its levelled it out, id say about 13 clubs could easly be relegated now. Everton are in that group.

True I said yesterday there is no such thing as a midtable club now its either top 10/11 or looking over your shoulder.

But I think Luton/Sheff Utd don't have the quality to stay up nor the type of finances to spend £100m+ like Notts did last summer.

If you can finish above them pair you're competing with Burnley, Notts Forest, Palace and Bournemouth for that last spot and I think Dyche would have us above all of them especially if we replace Mina/DCL adequately this summer.