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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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Lobster Johnson said:
What he should do is manage Everton for free,
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No, he should manage a club that he can improve for a decent wage. He shouldn't take a big wage to manage decline which is the essence of the OP.

Why does every discussion on this forum have to end up as a choice between two extremes - in this case Dyche managing for free because of his deep love for Everton Vs (presumably) him making love to a Liverpool sock for a billion quid a year while Everton burn (is that the reactionary interpretation of what I said? I'm close, right?)? I swear this place gets more like the comments section below a Daily Mail article every time I log in.
 

JLW said:
I’m guessing that’s high up on every managers interview, you’d be mad to go for a job in the PL or anywhere and not ask what your budget is.
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It's also not inconceivable that Moshiri and, most of all, Bill lied to him about the state of our finances and therefore our future budgets. I also find it hard to believe that any manager worth their salt would accept a job where they were told that every player was up for sale and that most of the proceeds of any sale would not be reinvested in the playing squad.

We have sold Gordon, Kean, Simms, ISS for close to £80m (£55m of which is pure profit in terms of FFP), whilst also shedding somewhere in the region of £300k a week from free agents in wages, and yet we are still obviously potless, and Gray, Holgate and Cannon are all reasonably well linked with departures with maybe further departures following that. Now, maybe we're about to go on some sort of mad spending spree, but it doesn't look especially likely.

I think on the basis of all of that then two scenarios present themselves -
1. Bill lied to Dyche and therefore I feel very sorry for Dyche
2. Dyche was told about all of this, doesn't care, just wants the money and therefore I don't feel sorry for him.

It's doubtful we will know for sure if either of these are the case unless Dyche spills the beans after leaving the club

Either way, it looks bleak.
 
windymiller said:
It's also not inconceivable that Moshiri and, most of all, Bill lied to him about the state of our finances and therefore our future budgets. I also find it hard to believe that any manager worth their salt would accept a job where they were told that every player was up for sale and that most of the proceeds of any sale would not be reinvested in the playing squad.

We have sold Gordon, Kean, Simms, ISS for close to £80m (£55m of which is pure profit in terms of FFP), whilst also shedding somewhere in the region of £300k a week from free agents in wages, and yet we are still obviously potless, and Gray, Holgate and Cannon are all reasonably well linked with departures with maybe further departures following that. Now, maybe we're about to go on some sort of mad spending spree, but it doesn't look especially likely.

I think on the basis of all of that then two scenarios present themselves -
1. Bill lied to Dyche and therefore I feel very sorry for Dyche
2. Dyche was told about all of this, doesn't care, just wants the money and therefore I don't feel sorry for him.

It's doubtful we will know for sure if either of these are the case unless Dyche spills the beans after leaving the club

Either way, it looks bleak.
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For someone calling out others for black and white thinking you seem to have fallen victim to it yourself.

There are numerous other possibilities between those two things. He thinks he can get by with the squad he has available to him and rates some of our youth, to give just one example.

As an aside, why is it a bad thing if he sees Everton as a job? The only reason I go to work is the money. It doesn't mean I'm not giving it my best.
 
Lobster Johnson said:
For someone calling out others for black and white thinking you seem to have fallen victim to it yourself.

There are numerous other possibilities between those two things. He thinks he can get by with the squad he has available to him and rates some of our youth, to give just one example.

As an aside, why is it a bad thing if he sees Everton as a job? The only reason I go to work is the money. It doesn't mean I'm not giving it my best.
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I've shown my working out, you disagree, good for you. Feel free to propose whatever you like, it's only a fans forum on the internet, not the UN general assembly.

It's not a problem that he sees it as a job, he should see it as a job, he should also see it as a job where he can improve us, where he can take some personal professional pride. He strikes me as a man for whom that would be the case in any job he takes. I also suspect that the current circumstances were not exactly what he was promised, why would anyone agree to these conditions? There is a real risk that taking the Everton managers job, with all that currently entails, is a career killer. Do you reckon Tory Frank is getting another job any time soon? I would be surprised if Dyche was told we would lose a dozen players and we would replace them with free agents in a squad that finished just above the relegation zone the year before he took over and was in that zone when he took over and he was like "brilliant, where do I sign". You obviously think differently.
 

NilSatisOptimum said:
Really is football in general. Would imagine there is personal pride at play, and Everton despite the poop show, is the best platform Dyche would get at the time he became manager.
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He said he had turned down other jobs. If he knew about what was going to happen this summer at Everton you have to wonder how bad the conditions were at the places he turned down!
 
windymiller said:
He said he had turned down other jobs. If he knew about what was going to happen this summer at Everton you have to wonder how bad the conditions were at the places he turned down!
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Unless he states otherwise reckon Everton where the biggest of the lot who came knocking. And despite diminutive size he probably got himself a better squad of starting of players than he ever had before in the EPL.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Unless he states otherwise reckon Everton where the biggest of the lot who came knocking. And despite diminutive size he probably got himself a better squad of starting of players than he ever had before in the EPL.
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People keep saying this, but I keep looking at our squad list and thinking it's not the case. I honestly think our current squad is worse than some of those yard dog Burnley squads he had. Our squad is truly terrible. Maybe four players in it of sufficient quality.
 
windymiller said:
People keep saying this, but I keep looking at our squad list and thinking it's not the case. I honestly think our current squad is worse than some of those yard dog Burnley squads he had. Our squad is truly terrible. Maybe four players in it of sufficient quality.
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Genuinely think it is the worst squad i have seen in all my years of suffering and we have had some truly awful teams.
 

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