2022/23 Sean Dyche

[TheBigIguana]

The answer is to find a way of grinding out results that suits the terrible options you have. That’s sort of the point we’ve been trying to make all along. It’s an incredibly tough job managing poor footballers at such a high level.

Yes there are, but there are also lots of average to poor players that will just be bad wherever you put them. McNeil falls into this category for me.

You never get away from this though. We've been trying to grind out results since 2017/18. At some point you have to commit to something else.

 

[MikeH72]

I've used this analogy before but I compare it to playing on FIFA.

If you were gonna pick a team to play with, it wouldn't be this Everton side.

But bro you can just put McNeil on the right and then you can cut in and score nice finesse’s and do a Fortnite celebration.

 

[MikeH72]

You never get away from this though. We've been trying to grind out results since 2017/18. At some point you have to commit to something else.

I agree, start buying better football players.

 

[Jimishorts]

I see BigChatbot has settled in for evening.

 

[TheBigIguana]

We passed it through midfield plenty of times against Arsenal. You clearly didn't watch the game.

The difference between that and what we did under FL, Benitez and even in the derby last week was we were able to do it quickly and with purpose, because we had a firing Dom pushing their CBs back to create space and we weren't faffing around with it at the back.

I don't agree with this but the funny part is most of the good passing we did do in that game was before he swapped the wingers and got Iwobi and McNeil both pinned to the touchline.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I agree, start buying better football players.

You have to have a plan first

 

[MikeH72]

You have to have a plan first

No mate it’s definitely 100% the other way around.

 

[BlueToff]

So it's complex. Glad we cleared that up.

It's not.

And we can pick out loads of moments where doing the simple thing means bad things don't happen.

Two examples from Monday:

- First goal: Gana has the chance to foul Nunez, he'd take a yellow, the move stops, we move on. He doesn't.
- Second goal: Coady has the chance to clear the ball, it's a routine, simple clearance. He fails to do it.

The best teams are the ones that have players who 99 times out of 100 do the simple things well. Because doing the simple things is how you become a good player in any sport.

 

[MikeH72]

I don't agree with this but the funny part is most of the good passing we did do in that game was before he swapped the wingers and got Iwobi and McNeil both pinned to the touchline.

We only started creating chances after we did that.

 

[BlueToff]

I don't agree with this but the funny part is most of the good passing we did do in that game was before he swapped the wingers and got Iwobi and McNeil both pinned to the touchline.

And he did that to counter Arsenal's threat, as Saka and Martinelli were starting to look sharp. Sometimes you have to compensate.

All of McNeil's best moments in an Everton shirt have come on the left.

The funny thing is the majority of Iwobi's have actually come from the right, even though he is clearly better from the left. But they both did a solid defensive job which was what was needed. It was probably also a case of getting the best out of McNeil would be more effective for the tactics used against Arsenal than getting the best out of Iwobi would be.

Again, totally miss the point, as you do a lot.

 

[BlueToff]

We only started creating chances after we did that.

I'm convinced they don't watch the games. Because some of the stuff they come out with is baffling.

I'm not gonna sit here and say Dyche is an incredible manager because I don't think he is. But we are where we are, primarily because we're one of the poorest 5-6 teams in this league.

 

[MikeH72]

I'm convinced they don't watch the games. Because some of the stuff they come out with is baffling.

I'm not gonna sit here and say Dyche is an incredible manager because I don't think he is. But we are where we are, primarily because we're one of the poorest 5-6 teams in this league.

Personally I can’t understand how anyone can still think this group of players is capable of playing liquid football.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's not.

And we can pick out loads of moments where doing the simple thing means bad things don't happen.

Two examples from Monday:

- First goal: Gana has the chance to foul Nunez, he'd take a yellow, the move stops, we move on. He doesn't.
- Second goal: Coady has the chance to clear the ball, it's a routine, simple clearance. He fails to do it.

The best teams are the ones that have players who 99 times out of 100 do the simple things well. Because doing the simple things is how you become a good player in any sport.

But this is why it is so complex. That first goal starts when Coleman makes a decision to try to win the ball on the edge of the box and doesn't get there. The break starts and Gana decides to give ground instead of fouling. Mykolenko retreating decides to mark nothing and drift wide instead of staying central and maybe being able to cut the pass out. And Pickford decides to stand on the edge of the box instead of nearer the goal where the finish wouldn't be so straightforward.

Each match has 22 players making thousands of little decisions on top of all the physical and technical attributes that factor in. The things you're calling simple are extremely difficult to do at this level and speed but on top of that they require you to do them while putting forth an ungodly level of physical exertion and while being in sync mentally with the other players on the field. It's immensely complicated and it'll always be really wild to me that people are like "run a lot, pass it accurately and shoot it in the goal, job done." So much goes into that at this level.

 

[BlueToff]

But this is why it is so complex. That first goal starts when Coleman makes a decision to try to win the ball on the edge of the box and doesn't get there. The break starts and Gana decides to give ground instead of fouling. Mykolenko retreating decides to mark nothing and drift wide instead of staying central and maybe being able to cut the pass out. And Pickford decides to stand on the edge of the box instead of nearer the goal where the finish wouldn't be so straightforward.

Each match has 22 players making thousands of little decisions on top of all the physical and technical attributes that factor in. The things you're calling simple are extremely difficult to do at this level and speed but on top of that they require you to do them while putting forth an ungodly level of physical exertion and while being in sync mentally with the other players on the field. It's immensely complicated and it'll always be really wild to me that people are like "run a lot, pass it accurately and shoot it in the goal, job done." So much goes into that at this level.

But do you not see that each of those decisions is incredibly simple and basic, and that they were all performed badly by the players?

And this is where better players - and better coaching - is needed. Because better players would, you'd hope, not make those errors.

Of course, the very top of the game is miles away from knocking it about at Sunday league, but you still have people having to make decisions and get those decisions right. Most of those decisions are very, very basic.

 

[MikeH72]

But this is why it is so complex. That first goal starts when Coleman makes a decision to try to win the ball on the edge of the box and doesn't get there. The break starts and Gana decides to give ground instead of fouling. Mykolenko retreating decides to mark nothing and drift wide instead of staying central and maybe being able to cut the pass out. And Pickford decides to stand on the edge of the box instead of nearer the goal where the finish wouldn't be so straightforward.

Each match has 22 players making thousands of little decisions on top of all the physical and technical attributes that factor in. The things you're calling simple are extremely difficult to do at this level and speed but on top of that they require you to do them while putting forth an ungodly level of physical exertion and while being in sync mentally with the other players on the field. It's immensely complicated and it'll always be really wild to me that people are like "run a lot, pass it accurately and shoot it in the goal, job done." So much goes into that at this level.

And yet we beat the league leaders by lobbing a set piece into an area for a big ugly centre back to get his loaf on. COMPLEX.