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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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MikeH72 said:
Personally I can’t understand how anyone can still think this group of players is capable of playing liquid football.
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I certainly think they're capable of playing something semi-effective but they won't and don't do it consistently because they aren't very good.

People bang on about Iwobi like he's the second coming, ffs. Same anytime Gray does anything good.

They're not very good players.
 
BlueToff said:
But do you not see that each of those decisions is incredibly simple and basic, and that they were all performed badly by the players?

And this is where better players - and better coaching - is needed. Because better players would, you'd hope, not make those errors.

Of course, the very top of the game is miles away from knocking it about at Sunday league, but you still have people having to make decisions and get those decisions right. Most of those decisions are very, very basic.
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Math is always just numbers right, but at some point you're doing so many things with them that it stops being simple. That's professional sports. It's still just numbers but it is not simple.
 
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TheBigIguana said:
Math is always just numbers right, but at some point you're doing so many things with them that it stops being simple. That's professional sports. It's still just numbers but it is not simple.
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I disagree, the basics remain the same.

The very best are the very best for a reason, because they get the basics right and have the quality to go with it, or correct things when they're going wrong.

Regardless, our players have shown they can do the basics well at times, but it's consistency they lack (because they aren't very good, when stacked up to other elite professionals).
 


It has not been many days since Guardiola sacrificed possession to instead be far more direct, and play more primitively against Arsenal. Why did he do that? Because he considered that it would give the greatest probability of victory, and partly because he had a player in Haaland who gave him the opportunity to do so. So I expect we'll see more of that from Manchester City against teams that are evenly matched - and there aren't many of them.

Here I think Guardiola is about to break with his principle of always sticking to plan a, and sees the need to be more flexible - especially if he wants to win the CL. Mostly, he can stick to plan a because his team is so incredibly much better than every other team. So really all he needs to think about is how to unlock teams that are in balance. Against more equal teams, they have often been severely punished in single matches with this approach.

So where am I going with this, well, there are always two teams on the field. You have your own team, and as Egil Roger Olsen said: "The tactics must be based on existing skills, and not what one could wish for", and secondly, you have the opposing team that you have to take into account. Should e.g. we tried to play the ball a lot through the midfield with Everton's current midfielders, and the defensive line which totally lacks speed against teams that are qualitatively much better, then 9 out of 10 cases it would have been a clear loss.

Then of course you have to think short-term and long-term, and right now the squad is not of very high quality. It also lacks confidence. So here we need a fairly simple strategy, where we minimize the risk, and the players feel that they are succeeding. In the long term, of course, this strategy must become more "complicated", and the degree of difficulty increased. But even then, the basics must be in place. In any case, now is not the time to embark on high-difficulty strategies. The players are like the rest of us, they need to experience success in order to gain self-confidence and motivation.
 
TheBigIguana said:
But this is why it is so complex. That first goal starts when Coleman makes a decision to try to win the ball on the edge of the box and doesn't get there. The break starts and Gana decides to give ground instead of fouling. Mykolenko retreating decides to mark nothing and drift wide instead of staying central and maybe being able to cut the pass out. And Pickford decides to stand on the edge of the box instead of nearer the goal where the finish wouldn't be so straightforward.

Each match has 22 players making thousands of little decisions on top of all the physical and technical attributes that factor in. The things you're calling simple are extremely difficult to do at this level and speed but on top of that they require you to do them while putting forth an ungodly level of physical exertion and while being in sync mentally with the other players on the field. It's immensely complicated and it'll always be really wild to me that people are like "run a lot, pass it accurately and shoot it in the goal, job done." So much goes into that at this level.
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These are basics

These are things you learn playing school football

The very basic things is to put the player in the stands, take they yellow card and reset.

There's an old, very basic saying in football called "put the ball in row Z"; it applies at every level
 
BlueToff said:
He's baffling
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It's really not. I don't believe that how Dyche aims to win football games is ever the correct approach. You all want to make excuses about quality of the team and all that and it's fine, I don't believe in those excuses.

Go ahead and tell me I don't know anything now.
 

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