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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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DanB90 said:
Given our situation financially, I think we need to look for someone who can offer stability on a very tight budget. If we’re even allowed to spend at all. So sticking with Dyche is our best bet of survival going forward imo.

Now isn’t the time to be going for some young, hip thang and signing a load of wunderkids.

Hate to break it to you, but we aren’t going to be the club you want us to be for a very long time.
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I don't think people fully recognize the downside of this approach. "Stability" isn't great when you're only out of the drop zone on goal difference. Improvement is necessary.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I don't think people fully recognize the downside of this approach. "Stability" isn't great when you're only out of the drop zone on goal difference. Improvement is necessary.
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We’re only out of the drop zone on goal difference, but our form since he came in is mid-table. Which given what he’s had to work with and the clubs we’ve played it’s a lot more than I was expecting.

Besides, who is this elusive progressive manager who’s going to come in and change the identity of a club with no money to spend and on the brink of financial ruin?
 
DanB90 said:
We’re only out of the drop zone on goal difference, but our form since he came in is mid-table. Which given what he’s had to work with and the clubs we’ve played it’s a lot more than I was expecting.

Besides, who is this elusive progressive manager who’s going to come in and change the identity of a club with no money to spend and on the brink of financial ruin?
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It's not going to just be the manager, but it will also require a different manager.

I don't even think Dyche is that bad. There are just things he can't do.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I don't think people fully recognize the downside of this approach. "Stability" isn't great when you're only out of the drop zone on goal difference. Improvement is necessary.
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Haha mate we were second bottom when he took over so actually it is improvement.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Well, you talk about who Dyches is, put him in a neat little box and how his "limitations and ceiling are obvious"

My point is a simple one - you've seen Dyche at Burnley, and only Burnley.

I'd say the limitations and ceilings at Burnley is what is obvious.

He was pragmatic with them, and played to their DNA. I've got a lot of time for that. I think he'd still be their manager, and we'd have gone down if they kept Chris Wood.

Carlo Ancelotti got an Everton team to 10th.

Sometimes no matter the manager, the team and resource dictate the ceiling.

Only time will tell who Sean Dyche is. He'll need time to show it.
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I can only give opinions based on what I've seen.

It would be wonderful if Dyche started demonstrating added dimensions to his game, and I'll be happy to admit I was wrong if he does.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Well, you talk about who Dyches is, put him in a neat little box and how his "limitations and ceiling are obvious"

My point is a simple one - you've seen Dyche at Burnley, and only Burnley.

I'd say the limitations and ceilings at Burnley is what is obvious.

He was pragmatic with them, and played to their DNA. I've got a lot of time for that. I think he'd still be their manager, and we'd have gone down if they kept Chris Wood.

Carlo Ancelotti got an Everton team to 10th.

Sometimes no matter the manager, the team and resource dictate the ceiling.

Only time will tell who Sean Dyche is. He'll need time to show it.
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There is probably a reason for that and possibly the most obvious one. Not many saw the potential in him in jobs away from what is perecived to be his limits. And there were many jobs that came up in his 11 years that were a stepping stone.
RIght now he looks exactly what Everton needed as we were/are probably the most rudderless club in Europe. Im trying to stay out of long term chats as right now it means nothing. Its all about survival. Where the club is going will be a very very different conversation depending on what happens in the next 6 weeks or so.
 

Very strange questioning dyche. Think he’s done a great job so far. He’s working with some poor players and got them playing as a team with some character.

Keeps us up if like to see him given funds to spend. Deserves it.
 
TheBigIguana said:
It's not about current fit. Dyche does that fine. It's about what we want to do going forward and who might fit that. Unless of course you're fine with the current state of affairs.

Doing well is very relative here right now. 5 years ago Dyche would be on the chopping block. Between seasons we get to breathe and decide what the standard really is again.
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I think it all comes down to the fact we are at our lowest point since 1998. We've fallen so far from grace that we have to accept Dyche in order to provide some stability. Even if that simply means finishing in the upper reaches of the bottom half next season with little worry about relegation.

Frankly, I don't have any faith in the board to find anyone better than him in the summer. I also think no one better than him would even think about coming here for a second given what has played out over recent years.
 
Hinchcliffe's Corner said:
If we had Jay Jay Okocha in the middle of the park instead of Iwobi we might play better stuff too.
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You've just inspired me to have a look at the team that walloped us 0-4 at Goodison in 2005, during the spell where it seemed like we lost by that scoreline every week.

Bolton: Jaaskelainen, O'Brien, N'Gotty, Jaidi, Speed, Nolan, Faye (Djetou 84), Okocha (Hunt 67), Giannakopoulos, Diouf (Vaz Te 73), Davies.
Subs Not Used: Walker, Nakata

Goals: Davies 32, Giannakopoulos 75, Speed 79 pen, Giannakopoulos 80.

Slap head Stelios looked like one of the world's great players that night.

Of course, by the time Allardyce turned up at Everton, he couldn't be arsed with such signings and instead blew £50m on Tosun and Walcott.
 

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