2022/23 Sean Dyche

[NilSatisOptimum]

One piece of the mess we're has been getting managers who want to play a certain way, but due to recruitment and short termism, it doesn't work.

Need get past this entertaining nonsense some of us are so far up our own ass, daylight is a mythical concept " the gwladys wont like it blah blah". The only entertaining thing about Everton is whoever we play against they all have great entertainment and good laugh at our expense....

 

[Runub]

Are we using Burnley beating the RS at an empty stadium as a barometer of success now??

Out of 14 games they got 8 points, yet somehow did a master class on that one game

Its called clutching at straws

 

[Lanolin]

I don't know what to make of it as an appointment to be honest. It's not what I'd have gone for, and I've criticised him plenty of times in the past, but I do feel like he has at least some qualities which make him a decent fit for us. People are definitely being too snobby about him in my opinion. We're basically bottom of the league, I genuinely couldn't care less what type of football we play if it means we get the results to stay up, and his record in the league is certainly comparable to the great Marcelo who we would all apparently adore because he doesn't care about money or winning games. It might be another bad appointment, it might be just what we need, I really don't know. We should judge the options using the same criteria though, not just discount some of them because Pep hasn't head patted them enough.

 

[Ferguson1878]

No one has gone for Pochettino either.

Not really the same though pochetino would be seen as a top 4 manager how many of them have changed manager only chelsea , were amongs the likes of Southampton wolves Vila etc all who have changed there manager and not one of them went for dyche

 

[Tilling]

It's so basic mate. It's trying to talk technically about exceptions to the rule. Like when his Burnley side scored a good passing goal against us. Things happen that go against the norm (like when Cuco Martina scored a worldie for Southampton), the focus should be on what the norm is.

Listening to Dyche talk tactics is like listening to old blokes down the pub. Whoever said it on here is right, it's proper Mike Bassett territory.

And never use games against Everton as an example of anything as we are always awful and a farce. Same loons who convinced themselves McNeil was anything other than abysmal because he once scored a really good goal against us.

Everyone who is in favour of this is doing the board's job for them. They are accepting mediocrity and genuinely believing that it is possible to move forwards with retrograde thinking, which is a contradiction in terms.

I'll happily go and find you some more examples if you really want me to, it just so happens that I remembered the one against Everton. It also happens to be a really good example; 2 press 1 cutting off the passing angles, 2 behind the ball to cover, 1 ahead to receive if the ball is won. I believe he actually talks about exactly this structure of pressing in the first five minutes of the recent Coaches Voice video.

Maybe it sounds to you like old blokes down the pub, but I'm seeing someone explaining a complex thing (effective front-foot defending without the ball) in a simple manner (important when you have bad players with zero confidence), and then seeing several clips of a team he coached actually implementing what he said he wanted his team to do. Seriously, can you think of an Everton manager post-Martinez who has been able to do that? Allardyce, at a push?

Finally, regards 'exceptions to the rule' and 'the norm'; I had a feeling someone might throw that back at the post I made. After all, maybe I cherry picked examples from across the season to fit a narrative. That is why I deliberately picked examples from three games back to back, to demonstrate that this wasn't just a one off in each game in question - rather it follows a trend, indicating that Dyche can coach a very effective press.

Here's another example 2 games later on from the run above, taken from Wolves 0 - 4 Burnley

 

[jackyboy]

People slagging off his football when we've had Lampard for 12 months doing nothing and we're second bottom.

 

[Cool_Blue]

His payroll is rocks and wood so financially it's a no brainer.

Bricks & nails I heard

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

I'll happily go and find you some more examples if you really want me to, it just so happens that I remembered the one against Everton. It also happens to be a really good example; 2 press 1 cutting off the passing angles, 2 behind the ball to cover, 1 ahead to receive if the ball is won. I believe he actually talks about exactly this structure of pressing in the first five minutes of the recent Coaches Voice video.

Maybe it sounds to you like old blokes down the pub, but I'm seeing someone explaining a complex thing (effective front-foot defending without the ball) in a simple manner (important when you have bad players with zero confidence), and then seeing several clips of a team he coached actually implementing what he said he wanted his team to do. Seriously, can you think of an Everton manager post-Martinez who has been able to do that? Allardyce, at a push?

Finally, regards 'exceptions to the rule' and 'the norm'; I had a feeling someone might throw that back at the post I made - that is why I deliberately picked examples from three games back to back, to demonstrate that this wasn't just a one off in each game in question

Here's another example 2 games later on from the run above, taken from Wolves 0 - 4 Burnley

This is all so selective mate. His own fans were sick of his dire percentages game. All I used to hear from mates was how old-fashioned it all is. How it always made them feel like a non-league side playing a giant and how, he never really did anything of note to progress the playing style.

These dinosaurs always use excuses - "I'm judged unfairly because I'm English," "I don't have the players" etc. But they do absolutely nothing to change the situation - just like Allardyce with us.

Now, if you take Howe (not someone I wanted near Everton), his sides played good footie but were wide open. He did what Martinez should have done and went and studied the methods of Simeone and look at his side now. Retrograde, defensive managers never change their spots, when criticism arrives, it's always someone or something else's fault.

 

[Tony1985]

I welcome our scotch egg looking overlord with open arms. Just get us safe ffs.

 

[Harryflashman]

People slagging off his football when we've had Lampard for 12 months doing nothing and we're second bottom.

Mate I’ll take any kind of football , and I’m right behind him if he signs. My only concern is can he win the matches to keep us up ? I’m not convinced and I’m not going to pretend I see him as some kind of football genius, he had at best a below average record .

If he can drag this shower to the required wins and his tactics work then great , I imagine he’ll get the place rocking and that’ll do for me . Dyche certainly gives us a better chance of staying up than lampard , it’s how much better that’s my slight concern . Like I said before his football seems a little outdated but I’ll take it if we win , it’s winning that matters .

 

[Drico]

I don't know what to make of it as an appointment to be honest. It's not what I'd have gone for, and I've criticised him plenty of times in the past, but I do feel like he has at least some qualities which make him a decent fit for us. People are definitely being too snobby about him in my opinion. We're basically bottom of the league, I genuinely couldn't care less what type of football we play if it means we get the results to stay up, and his record in the league is certainly comparable to the great Marcelo who we would all apparently adore because he doesn't care about money or winning games. It might be another bad appointment, it might be just what we need, I really don't know. We should judge the options using the same criteria though, not just discount some of them because Pep hasn't head patted them enough.

I think Bielsa and Dyche is a significantly more useful shortlist than Lampard and Pereira. For one, both Bielsa and Dyche are demonstrably good managers with records to point to. They also offer two contrasting approaches. If you feel that we are pretty hopeless and need a revolution to spark some kind of life from a dead body, Bielsa is an attractive punt. If you feel our situation is eminently salvageable and we need a simple, straightforward, no bullshit approach to the game, Dyche is a realistic prospect.

So, it all depends on how you see us. I have criticised Lampard because I did not believe he was getting the best out of the limited squad he has. I felt a better manager would get more points - not enough to get us top half, but the difference between going down and staying up. Fine margins. We have left it too late, in my view, so Dyche is less attractive to me than he would have been six weeks ago. But he's still worth a punt if you think we can stay up with a little more competence in the dugout.

Bielsa is more the last throw of the dice option. It'd be a very flamboyant, ostentatious throw of the dice, mind, and those dice could end up on the floor.

I don't have the answer and, to be honest, I don't think there is one. Either of these guys are worthwhile punts in my view - but only if they get support in the market. Otherwise, it's utterly pointless - and we will be too.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Surely Dyche would reject the job anyway, since he thought we didn't know how to win matches?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The wheels come off for him that last season, no doubt. He had a fair few mitigating circumstances .

I'm convinced if they kept Chris Wood (Newcastle activated his clause in the Jan window), they'd have stayed up at our expense.

 

[Mark Bisson]

Struggling to get past the fact he is a Liverpool supporter, to be honest. Another red at the helm. Agent Dyche jokes etc. when he relegates us.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Surely Dyche would reject the job anyway, since he thought we didn't know how to win matches?

He said Everton had forgotten how to win matches. Hopefully if we appoint him, he can tell us...