2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Clarky cat]

Lack of quality is the big issue here- no one is arguing against that. But there are lots of basics we can be better at.

We need players to show more desire to get into the box. We need to show more urgency to get the ball forward quicker and to press opponents higher. We are unlikely to play through teams because we arent good enough but then we need to win it high up the pitch. Other teams have been able to get men into scoring positions and to carry threat on the transition. We do not even show intent to get men forward.

I disagree on the idea we are playing much better. I think we are pretty much the same as we've been all season. I dont think changing manager has made a significant difference. The defence is slightly better but that was our first away clean sheet. We conceded multiple goals in every away game prior to that. Its not a huge improvement by any means.

There are no easy solutions with these players but we are going down without a fight. We have 6 games to change that. We won't be able to park the bus and draw our way to safety.

Sounds like you want Lampard back because he was doing exactly what you are asking the team to do here and because of his naivety we were getting pumped every game because of the gaping chasms of pitch left open for counter attacks. The players are gash, they cannot play the way you want them to do. Don’t lose your temper at a cat that cannot bark my friend it’s pointless

 

[Dixie1sixty]

The squads awful absolutely no doubt about it and the board have left the manager in a horrendous position by not replacing attacking players or even attempting to strengthen those Areas . I just said he made a mistake , doesn’t feel like it was controversial or something me and you are or should be arguing about to be honest .

I know mate. Tbh my ire isn't directed at you. I'm just seeing the same cycle over and over again: the board's mismanagement of the club leading to the dilution of quality if the squad and fans throwing managers under the bus time and time again for not being able to do the impossible. It gets to a stage, every single season, where the teams with the worst players get relegated, and no tactical tweaks and formations change that fact.

 

[Kev The Rat]

With this squad , minus the players we’d be sure to lose , I’m not certain on your favourites tag if the worst happened . We definitely should be and at the very least we should be doing what Burnley have done , in terms of a rebuild but we would have a lot of work to do .

Let’s hope it doesn’t become an issue .

my fear is the board are so clueless when it comes to anything that a rebuild to get us out of the championship would be beyond them. its a board whos actions have lead to relegation from one league, why wouldnt their incompetence stretch to a lower league as well?

 

[Clarky cat]

That the damage done by Kenwright and Moyes is terminal and we are doomed to continue to eke out our meagre existence as the most boring , irrelevant club in existence?
Am I close?

Well you’re not outside my window because I’ve just checked.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Sounds like you want Lampard back because he was doing exactly what you are asking the team to do here and because of his naivety we were getting pumped every game because of the gaping chasms of pitch left open for counter attacks.

There are ways of getting extra bodies forward without losing all structure. Thats why we pay managers millions to find solutions.

I was a big Lampard fan but his position became untenable and we had to move on. I still maintain though that changing the manager would make little difference and it hasn't. We remain in the relegation zone with time running out

 

[Clarky cat]

There are ways of getting extra bodies forward without losing all structure. Thats why we pay managers millions to find solutions.

I was a big Lampard fan but his position became untenable and we had to move on. I still maintain though that changing the manager would make little difference and it hasn't. We remain in the relegation zone with time running out

The floor is yours Tim… name ONE way with the slugs in our squad

 

[ToffeeTim]

The floor is yours Tim… name ONE way with the slugs in our squad

The wide players coming inside and getting to the back post is the most common example. Thats how functioning football teams do it.

If we keep a back 4 and 2 midfielders then there's no reason the wide players and your other midfielder can't support the striker. Its hard work but we need to give absolutely everything for 6 games.

You don't score many goals with 1 player in the box.

 

[Clarky cat]

The wide players coming inside and getting to the back post is the most common example. Thats how functioning football teams do it.

If we keep a back 4 and 2 midfielders then there's no reason the wide players and your other midfielder can't support the striker. Its hard work but we need to give absolutely everything for 6 games.

You don't score many goals with 1 player in the box.

I’m out Tim. You want MORE players getting in the box but have 6 and a goalkeeper sitting back ffs!. Bed.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I’m out Tim. You want MORE players getting in the box but have 6 and a goalkeeper sitting back ffs!. Bed.

Those 6 have to push higher obviously than games like yesterday but I'm not talking about the half way line playing offside or something. We are playing direct so the back 4 dont need to push up high. The midfield then need to get up in support of the centre forward to win second ball.

We can get more than 1 player into scoring positions. I dont understand how that's a debatable point. Dycheball is not working because we are not scoring goals or creating much.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

There are ways of getting extra bodies forward without losing all structure. Thats why we pay managers millions to find solutions.

I was a big Lampard fan but his position became untenable and we had to move on. I still maintain though that changing the manager would make little difference and it hasn't. We remain in the relegation zone with time running out

Lot of people said that it wasn't the players and that we were a mid table side being held back by Lampard, bar a new manager bounce we are reverting back to type. Frank turned out awful let's be clear, but I don't think it matters who manages us it will take a miracle for Dyche to get us out of this.

 

[Clarky cat]

Those 6 have to push higher obviously than games like yesterday but I'm not talking about the half way line playing offside or something. We are playing direct so the back 4 dont need to push up high. The midfield then need to get up in support of the centre forward to win second ball.

We can get more than 1 player into scoring positions. I dont understand how that's a debatable point. Dycheball is not working because we are not scoring goals or creating much.

So, explain to me just how massive the gap will be between the back 4 and the midfield joining with the attack so the opposition can overrun as at will, counter attacking against some of the slowest defenders in the league?
Do some badges Tim.

 

[bicycleheader]

Our team is just one massive gap

They look like a team of Pickfords, without the good parts. Just doing random stuff that boggles the mind. It’s like Everton FC thinks it’s a volleyball club that’s woken up one day and it’s a football club and have to try learn the sport. Dyche is just another caretaker manager on a permanent contract.

We are so bad, I really cannot fathom how we are not adrift at the bottom. What is wrong with these other clubs. They don’t have the excuse of being the dumpster fire of world football.

 

[Zatara]

Two Promotions on two top 10 finishes in the PL with Burnley but aye must be crap

When he came in he setup the team well in terms of it suiting the players he had. Injected some energy and fight into the team and gave players clean slates.

Heres a few 'concerns';

1: One player (Doucoure) gets suspended and instead of tweaking the system he completely changes it.

2: After making a total pigs ear of (1) he does the same for the next game. Effectively 'throwing' two games in a row.

3: There are no attacking 'moves'. No tactics and no strategy aside from 'get it forward', its like watching a kids team. Kick the ball high/long to midgets.

4: Playing a deep defensive line with success but then introducing defenders uncomfortable outside of the box and switching to a high line.

5: Leaving full backs 1v1 and exposing them to a simple diagonal ball from the opposition. Failing to see that a higher line encourages this obvious tactic.

6: Unfathomably introducing players at random both into the 11 and off the bench. Then persisting with them no matter how they perform.

7: Similar to (1) switching to 2 midfielders when playing against 3. Losing the midfield battle due to numbers. Also playing certain players better on the counter (Gray) who are now left with limited space.

8: Clearly doing no homework whatsoever on any of the players. The entire fanbase could see Holgate would be sent off after his yellow last match and both Godfrey and Mykoleko's flaws are magnified with daft setups.

9: Dropping Coady and ignoring our best centre back in Mina points to not trusting two players superior to those on the pitch and who give alternate options to the mess were seeing now. The same can be said of ignoring Patterson in favour of centre backs out of position.

10: Waiting and waiting and waiting to make substititions which are always cowardly in nature.

All he had to do was keep the setup and tactics, play for dead balls (corners/free kicks) and bring a replacement in for Doucoure -- that could have seen us grind out 2 draws. Instead weve been witnessing pretty much the opposite of logic for 3 games in a row.

Seeing the United setup...then seeing the Fulham setup, I would have been sorely tempted to sack him on the spot.

If there was a manager of high calibre out there who would come, Id be 80% in favour of firing him.

Doucoure is back next game, if we dont win It (against Newcastle) Id bin him off. This has now become a 'must win' game due to him 'throwing ' 2 of the last 3 and not showing any logic or balls in game against Palace.

United, Fulham, Palace = 1pt. We should have had 3 or 4pts on the board but for Dyche.

If we dont beat Newcastle its 1pt or 2pts in 4 games.

The man is looking way out of his depth.

 

[Zezti]

When he came in he setup the team well in terms of it suiting the players he had. Injected some energy and fight into the team and gave players clean slates.

Heres a few 'concerns';

1: One player (Doucoure) gets suspended and instead of tweaking the system he completely changes it.

2: After making a total pigs ear of (1) he does the same for the next game. Effectively 'throwing' two games in a row.

3: There are no attacking 'moves'. No tactics and no strategy aside from 'get it forward', its like watching a kids team. Kick the ball high/long to midgets.

4: Playing a deep defensive line with success but then introducing defenders uncomfortable outside of the box and switching to a high line.

5: Leaving full backs 1v1 and exposing them to a simple diagonal ball from the opposition. Failing to see that a higher line encourages this obvious tactic.

6: Unfathomably introducing players at random both into the 11 and off the bench. Then persisting with them no matter how they perform.

7: Similar to (1) switching to 2 midfielders when playing against 3. Losing the midfield battle due to numbers. Also playing certain players better on the counter (Gray) who are now left with limited space.

8: Clearly doing no homework whatsoever on any of the players. The entire fanbase could see Holgate would be sent off after his yellow last match and both Godfrey and Mykoleko's flaws are magnified with daft setups.

9: Dropping Coady and ignoring our best centre back in Mina points to not trusting two players superior to those on the pitch and who give alternate options to the mess were seeing now. The same can be said of ignoring Patterson in favour of centre backs out of position.

10: Waiting and waiting and waiting to make substititions which are always cowardly in nature.

All he had to do was keep the setup and tactics, play for dead balls (corners/free kicks) and bring a replacement in for Doucoure -- that could have seen us grind out 2 draws. Instead weve been witnessing pretty much the opposite of logic for 3 games in a row.

Seeing the United setup...then seeing the Fulham setup, I would have been sorely tempted to sack him on the spot.

If there was a manager of high calibre out there who would come, Id be 80% in favour of firing him.

Doucoure is back next game, if we dont win It (against Newcastle) Id bin him off. This has now become a 'must win' game due to him 'throwing ' 2 of the last 3 and not showing any logic or balls in game against Palace.

United, Fulham, Palace = 1pt. We should have had 3 or 4pts on the board but for Dyche.

If we dont beat Newcastle its 1pt or 2pts in 4 games.

The man is looking way out of his depth.

Nail on the head, Zat.

At first I thought he was living up to expectations of those who said he was a better manager than many believed. For a couple weeks even felt confident we'd be safe. All of that has gone out of the window.

 

[Billy Dean]

When he came in he setup the team well in terms of it suiting the players he had. Injected some energy and fight into the team and gave players clean slates.

Heres a few 'concerns';

1: One player (Doucoure) gets suspended and instead of tweaking the system he completely changes it.

2: After making a total pigs ear of (1) he does the same for the next game. Effectively 'throwing' two games in a row.

3: There are no attacking 'moves'. No tactics and no strategy aside from 'get it forward', its like watching a kids team. Kick the ball high/long to midgets.

4: Playing a deep defensive line with success but then introducing defenders uncomfortable outside of the box and switching to a high line.

5: Leaving full backs 1v1 and exposing them to a simple diagonal ball from the opposition. Failing to see that a higher line encourages this obvious tactic.

6: Unfathomably introducing players at random both into the 11 and off the bench. Then persisting with them no matter how they perform.

7: Similar to (1) switching to 2 midfielders when playing against 3. Losing the midfield battle due to numbers. Also playing certain players better on the counter (Gray) who are now left with limited space.

8: Clearly doing no homework whatsoever on any of the players. The entire fanbase could see Holgate would be sent off after his yellow last match and both Godfrey and Mykoleko's flaws are magnified with daft setups.

9: Dropping Coady and ignoring our best centre back in Mina points to not trusting two players superior to those on the pitch and who give alternate options to the mess were seeing now. The same can be said of ignoring Patterson in favour of centre backs out of position.

10: Waiting and waiting and waiting to make substititions which are always cowardly in nature.

All he had to do was keep the setup and tactics, play for dead balls (corners/free kicks) and bring a replacement in for Doucoure -- that could have seen us grind out 2 draws. Instead weve been witnessing pretty much the opposite of logic for 3 games in a row.

Seeing the United setup...then seeing the Fulham setup, I would have been sorely tempted to sack him on the spot.

If there was a manager of high calibre out there who would come, Id be 80% in favour of firing him.

Doucoure is back next game, if we dont win It (against Newcastle) Id bin him off. This has now become a 'must win' game due to him 'throwing ' 2 of the last 3 and not showing any logic or balls in game against Palace.

United, Fulham, Palace = 1pt. We should have had 3 or 4pts on the board but for Dyche.

If we dont beat Newcastle its 1pt or 2pts in 4 games.

The man is looking way out of his depth.

Hopefully Doucoure's return will mean we return to the system we were using pre-United, and consequently an improvement in performance. Not holding my breath though.