2022/23 Sean Dyche

[sd_1992]

It's no wonder the board get away with murder when you read threads like this. It's genuinely maddening. The manager is categorically not the problem here. He's not the best manager in the world, there is a very good argument that he isn't going to achieve anything of note here in the long run, he does and will continue to make mistakes, but literally none of this is on him. I'm no lover of the bloke, I didn't want him here and won't shed a tear if he leaves in the summer, but I honestly find it staggering that anyone can have watched us over the last 2 1/2 years and still come to the conclusion that Dyche should be getting more out of them than he is.

Assume you said the same in January?

 

[Lanolin]

Assume you said the same in January?

To an extent. Lampard had obviously had much longer to work with them and you'd assume he had some input on the players we'd signed so there was more responsibility on his shoulders - and the losses at home to Southampton and Wolves were ultimately what will relegate us much more so than a draw away at Palace and a loss at Old Trafford like people are currently losing their minds over - but yes I was still very much aware that he wasn't massively underachieving and that it would be a struggle for anyone to get results out of this bunch of players (which is of course now even worse than the one available to Lampard with Gordon having gone).

 

[UndercoverClaret]

When he came in he setup the team well in terms of it suiting the players he had. Injected some energy and fight into the team and gave players clean slates.

Heres a few 'concerns';

1: One player (Doucoure) gets suspended and instead of tweaking the system he completely changes it.

2: After making a total pigs ear of (1) he does the same for the next game. Effectively 'throwing' two games in a row.

3: There are no attacking 'moves'. No tactics and no strategy aside from 'get it forward', its like watching a kids team. Kick the ball high/long to midgets.

4: Playing a deep defensive line with success but then introducing defenders uncomfortable outside of the box and switching to a high line.

5: Leaving full backs 1v1 and exposing them to a simple diagonal ball from the opposition. Failing to see that a higher line encourages this obvious tactic.

6: Unfathomably introducing players at random both into the 11 and off the bench. Then persisting with them no matter how they perform.

7: Similar to (1) switching to 2 midfielders when playing against 3. Losing the midfield battle due to numbers. Also playing certain players better on the counter (Gray) who are now left with limited space.

8: Clearly doing no homework whatsoever on any of the players. The entire fanbase could see Holgate would be sent off after his yellow last match and both Godfrey and Mykoleko's flaws are magnified with daft setups.

9: Dropping Coady and ignoring our best centre back in Mina points to not trusting two players superior to those on the pitch and who give alternate options to the mess were seeing now. The same can be said of ignoring Patterson in favour of centre backs out of position.

10: Waiting and waiting and waiting to make substititions which are always cowardly in nature.

All he had to do was keep the setup and tactics, play for dead balls (corners/free kicks) and bring a replacement in for Doucoure -- that could have seen us grind out 2 draws. Instead weve been witnessing pretty much the opposite of logic for 3 games in a row.

Seeing the United setup...then seeing the Fulham setup, I would have been sorely tempted to sack him on the spot.

If there was a manager of high calibre out there who would come, Id be 80% in favour of firing him.

Doucoure is back next game, if we dont win It (against Newcastle) Id bin him off. This has now become a 'must win' game due to him 'throwing ' 2 of the last 3 and not showing any logic or balls in game against Palace.

United, Fulham, Palace = 1pt. We should have had 3 or 4pts on the board but for Dyche.

If we dont beat Newcastle its 1pt or 2pts in 4 games.

The man is looking way out of his depth.

Out of curiosity- who would you have inserted as a like for like for Doucoure, if any?

I don’t think football is as straightforward as you’re making it out in that just do the same with different players = the result changes.

Its hard to comment on the rest tbh you don’t know what attitude they’re showing in training.

Sacking a manger on the spot for two bad results? Ultra short term thinking doesn’t do good for anyone, it’s just a waste of money and kicks the can down the road.

All I’m pretty much saying is that it’s harsh to be solely blaming Dyche and asserting that he’s crap when he’s come in at the end of january to a team sat in 19th, signed nothing in the window but lost a player (Gordon), then had a few injuries/suspensions then is expected to totally reverse the fortunes with a click of the fingers.

I wouldn’t say Newcastle is must win - you probably need a result of course but there’s 6 games left and still plenty to play for, especially as a lot of the teams around the bottom still have to play each other.

 

[COYBL25]

Out of curiosity- who would you have inserted as a like for like for Doucoure, if any?

I don’t think football is as straightforward as you’re making it out in that just do the same with different players = the result changes.

Its hard to comment on the rest tbh you don’t know what attitude they’re showing in training.

Sacking a manger on the spot for two bad results? Ultra short term thinking doesn’t do good for anyone, it’s just a waste of money and kicks the can down the road.

All I’m pretty much saying is that it’s harsh to be solely blaming Dyche and asserting that he’s crap when he’s come in at the end of january to a team sat in 19th, signed nothing in the window but lost a player (Gordon), then had a few injuries/suspensions then is expected to totally reverse the fortunes with a click of the fingers.

I wouldn’t say Newcastle is must win - you probably need a result of course but there’s 6 games left and still plenty to play for, especially as a lot of the teams around the bottom still have to play each other.

There`s no room for sense in here mate, just hyperbole, hysteria and agendas.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Out of curiosity- who would you have inserted as a like for like for Doucoure, if any?

I don’t think football is as straightforward as you’re making it out in that just do the same with different players = the result changes.

lol

Welcome to Zat land. We’ve had 12 years of this.

 

[mikel_88]

Think is fair he has to take some blame for the results, with the way the team has been set up. Hopefully with a fit dacoure and coleman, will give us a better balance back into the team. We all can see the lack of quality in this team but has shown that we can not play the 2 in cm as just not good enough. Also think got it wrong with holgate playing and not getting him off earlier was the wrong choice. Even with godfrey at rb who has also been poor, i would have bought patterson in a natural rb

 

[witchdoc187]

Our squad is crap it's not his responsibility.

 

[mikel_88]

Our squad is crap it's not his responsibility.

Agree but has still got things wrong, would be last to look at for me with the board first, players then dyche.

 

[Raino85]

Out of curiosity- who would you have inserted as a like for like for Doucoure, if any?

I don’t think football is as straightforward as you’re making it out in that just do the same with different players = the result changes.

Its hard to comment on the rest tbh you don’t know what attitude they’re showing in training.

Sacking a manger on the spot for two bad results? Ultra short term thinking doesn’t do good for anyone, it’s just a waste of money and kicks the can down the road.

All I’m pretty much saying is that it’s harsh to be solely blaming Dyche and asserting that he’s crap when he’s come in at the end of january to a team sat in 19th, signed nothing in the window but lost a player (Gordon), then had a few injuries/suspensions then is expected to totally reverse the fortunes with a click of the fingers.

I wouldn’t say Newcastle is must win - you probably need a result of course but there’s 6 games left and still plenty to play for, especially as a lot of the teams around the bottom still have to play each other.

Move Iwobi inside and have Gray & McNeil on the flanks?

 

[UndercoverClaret]

Move Iwobi inside and have Gray & McNeil on the flanks?

Going off when we played a similar system under Dyche - that ‘10’ role was utilised by Jeff Hendrick and it’s not a traditional sort of role there; it was more for a tactically astute, physical, athletic player that can be on a second ball and press/tackle the opposing holding midfielder/centre halves

I don’t think Dyche will feel that Iwobi is the sort of player that can ‘get into them’ for want of a better term.

His big ethos is winning the ball in good areas of the pitch and to transition quickly- that’s what we did when we were at our best with him and with Dom in the side and the rest back you’ll have more of a platform to build off.

Just found the article that described this sort of role - good read:

Forensically watching an ordinary player: Jeff Hendrick - Football365

Jeff Hendrick’s role for Burnley is not immediately obvious. On closer viewing, it’s unique. He’s the Irish trequartista.

www.football365.com

 

[Raino85]

Going off when we played a similar system under Dyche - that ‘10’ role was utilised by Jeff Hendrick and it’s not a traditional sort of role there; it was more for a tactically astute, physical, athletic player that can be on a second ball and press/tackle the opposing holding midfielder/centre halves

I don’t think Dyche will feel that Iwobi is the sort of player that can ‘get into them’ for want of a better term.

His big ethos is winning the ball in good areas of the pitch and to transition quickly- that’s what we did when we were at our best with him and with Dom in the side and the rest back you’ll have more of a platform to build off.

Just found the article that described this sort of role - good read:

Forensically watching an ordinary player: Jeff Hendrick - Football365

Jeff Hendrick’s role for Burnley is not immediately obvious. On closer viewing, it’s unique. He’s the Irish trequartista.

www.football365.com

Iwobi is our most aggressive presser in the whole squad when played centrally

 

[jazzy]

Going off when we played a similar system under Dyche - that ‘10’ role was utilised by Jeff Hendrick and it’s not a traditional sort of role there; it was more for a tactically astute, physical, athletic player that can be on a second ball and press/tackle the opposing holding midfielder/centre halves

I don’t think Dyche will feel that Iwobi is the sort of player that can ‘get into them’ for want of a better term.

His big ethos is winning the ball in good areas of the pitch and to transition quickly- that’s what we did when we were at our best with him and with Dom in the side and the rest back you’ll have more of a platform to build off.

Just found the article that described this sort of role - good read:

Forensically watching an ordinary player: Jeff Hendrick - Football365

Jeff Hendrick’s role for Burnley is not immediately obvious. On closer viewing, it’s unique. He’s the Irish trequartista.

www.football365.com

Would you gave him back if Kompany goes to Chelsea?

 

[UndercoverClaret]

Iwobi is our most aggressive presser in the whole squad when played centrally

Heard off a lot of your fans he does the ‘press when you know you’re not gonna get to the ball’ thing/shirks tackles

I’m just giving some insight - he might think that he can be more creative outwide

 

[Zatara]

It's no wonder the board get away with murder when you read threads like this. It's genuinely maddening. The manager is categorically not the problem here. He's not the best manager in the world, there is a very good argument that he isn't going to achieve anything of note here in the long run, he does and will continue to make mistakes, but literally none of this is on him. I'm no lover of the bloke, I didn't want him here and won't shed a tear if he leaves in the summer, but I honestly find it staggering that anyone can have watched us over the last 2 1/2 years and still come to the conclusion that Dyche should be getting more out of them than he is.

You have a system thats working. You change it and leave it in place when if fails...

...thats on the manager.

We never play with the shackles off. We are the most defensive and passive team in the league. We don't commit men forward, we don't press, we don't close spaces, we don't engage teams until they reach the final third. Even if you are defending deeper you can do so with intensity and aggression. We haven't seen that. The performance against Fulham where we sat off and refused to even get tight, was a total embarrassment. In the 10 minutes we played with intent and tempo, we scored one and should have scored 2 more (lack of quality in front of goal unfortunately).

Yes the players are not good, I've been saying it for years. But the least we could do is show some intent and intensity. Getting more numbers forward, winning our individual battles, and working at least as hard as the opposition, is the absolute minimum that should be expected. Draws will not save us at this stage of the season.

Smacks of inactivity, negativity and poor in game management.

Out of curiosity- who would you have inserted as a like for like for Doucoure, if any?

I don’t think football is as straightforward as you’re making it out in that just do the same with different players = the result changes.

Its hard to comment on the rest tbh you don’t know what attitude they’re showing in training.

Sacking a manger on the spot for two bad results? Ultra short term thinking doesn’t do good for anyone, it’s just a waste of money and kicks the can down the road.

All I’m pretty much saying is that it’s harsh to be solely blaming Dyche and asserting that he’s crap when he’s come in at the end of january to a team sat in 19th, signed nothing in the window but lost a player (Gordon), then had a few injuries/suspensions then is expected to totally reverse the fortunes with a click of the fingers.

I wouldn’t say Newcastle is must win - you probably need a result of course but there’s 6 games left and still plenty to play for, especially as a lot of the teams around the bottom still have to play each other.

There`s no room for sense in here mate, just hyperbole, hysteria and agendas

Move Iwobi inside and have Gray & McNeil on the flanks?

@Raino85 put an option forward. Theres actually plenty of others...Maupay and Davies have looked ineffective but both can press -- or use Garner a little deeper...

After the United lesson, if hes unwilling to use the above, change formation...change a few players? Instead he rolls out the same tactics not once...but pretty much twice.

Its not so much sacking the man due to 2 poor results (3 poor performances) its the fact he has not learned anything from the 1st, 2nd or 3rd matches...in a row.

The Newcastle game has become a must not lose...and id say 75% a must win...because of the last 3 games.

Turn out the same tactics and id bin him.

 

[UndercoverClaret]

Would you gave him back if Kompany goes to Chelsea?

I don’t think managers going back to their old clubs ever work, especially not after just a season away from the club.

He’s there to do a job with you now and I think given the limitations of the squad can lead you to safety and maybe have a couple of years clearing the deadwood and getting the culture right again