2022/23 Sean Dyche

[GrandOldTeam]

Our players are crap granted, but i think they are not playing to their maximum.

What gives you this view?

I mean, the results for 3 years now under every type of manager suggests otherwise.

More goals generally equals more results, right?

Now go and count the goals in the team. Player career goals. Why should we expect players who have never scored goals to start scoring now?

Now go and count the chances/assists in the team. Player career assists. Why should we expect players who have never created chances/goals to start doing so now?

That, my dear reader is why relegation scrap was inevitable this season.

 

[JLW]

Half these players played under Andelotti. I just watched the away Derby against the rs 2-0 and we had Keane, Holgate, Godfrey and Davies in the side. We still finished 10th and that's with one of the greatest managers of all time.

Our squad is utter horse dung.

Im not trying to say its not mate, im just saying other players of other teams that were crap or average have improved massively with managers that play a certain style.

 

[Pabbers]

The problem is the squad has been put together by various managers, Directors of Football and members of the board. What the hell do the idiots at the top think will happen? It is like eight of us all having a go at signing a couple of players and expecting the right blend in the squad. Although carried away with our new found riches at the time, I was slightly disturbed when we had four No 10s.

Moshiri holds all the shares, it is his fault. If Blue Bill is out of order then he has been allowed to be. If we stay up and Dyche get's us to about seventh and financially stable, Moshiri will be off again with his 'Hollywood signings.' We want stability and a trophy, Moshiri wants to increase his share price to a market that does not understand or care about football. Rich man's toys is all many of our clubs have become.

Agree with all that.

I hold some hope that the potential new owners (777), will look to run us in a modern football way, growth and connected thinking within the club, scouting, recruiting, to be self sufficient. It not too much to want is it !?!

No far east silly rich family are throwing money at us any time soon.

 

[JLW]

He's a pragmatist and so his style is dictated on the players he has.

You're judging him on his time at Burnley, and the relegation fodder he's inherited at Everton.

You give Howe as the example. Let's remember he's had time and money at Newcastle. Prior that, well - this was the view;



Maybe we can acknowledge that keeping Everton up would be the best individual managerial achievement at Everton in nearly a decade and give the 51 year old manager a chance.

If not, give another name who we should sack Sean Dyche for.

At the time i didnt want Howe as stated above., and i wont be the only one who didnt see what hes achieved at Newcastle since he's been there.

Do you see a style change in Dyche if personnel changes in the summer? I don't mate, Pickford will still be going long everytime he gets the ball.
Regarding another manager i don't know, but my original point was Dyche style IMO has a ceiling and that ceiling is bottom half of PL. I hope i am wrong if we retain our PL status and he is our manager next season.

 

[derek duvall]

What gives you this view?

I mean, the results for 3 years now under every type of manager suggests otherwise.

More goals generally equals more results, right?

Now go and count the goals in the team. Player career goals. Why should we expect players who have never scored goals to start scoring now?

Now go and count the chances/assists in the team. Player career assists. Why should we expect players who have never created chances/goals to start doing so now?

That, my dear reader is why relegation scrap was inevitable this season.

It was inevitable because of the cancer at the top, the owner and the board, not the players.

The disease eventually spreads to all managers and the players. Decent managers and players show bursts of form but inevitably become infected.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

At the time i didnt want Howe as stated above., and i wont be the only one who didnt see what hes achieved at Newcastle since he's been there.

Do you see a style change in Dyche if personnel changes in the summer? I don't mate, Pickford will still be going long everytime he gets the ball.
Regarding another manager i don't know, but my original point was Dyche style IMO has a ceiling and that ceiling is bottom half of PL. I hope i am wrong if we retain our PL status and he is our manager next season.

You didn't want Howe as you judged him solely on him at Bournemouth.

I'm suggesting we don't do the same with Dyche at Burnley.

Dyche is a prgamatist and I do think he'd change his style - he's changed how we've setup a few times already with such a limited squad depth.

I don't think we have a lot to spend in the summer and I think next season is another with focus on staying in the league.

 

[Rob17896]

Agree with all that.

I hold some hope that the potential new owners (777), will look to run us in a modern football way, growth and connected thinking within the club, scouting, recruiting, to be self sufficient. It not too much to want is it !?!

No far east silly rich family are throwing money at us any time soon.

At least the American sports businesses are running a business and they want sustainability and success, love them or loathe them, it is their business. The other clowns want the clubs for ego or sports washing.

 

[Saint Domingo]

He's a pragmatist and so his style is dictated on the players he has.

You're judging him on his time at Burnley, and the relegation fodder he's inherited at Everton.

You give Howe as the example. Let's remember he's had time and money at Newcastle. Prior that, well - this was the view;



Maybe we can acknowledge that keeping Everton up would be the best individual managerial achievement at Everton in nearly a decade and give the 51 year old manager a chance.

If not, give another name who we should sack Sean Dyche for.

That’s not how the hipsters work. Can’t ever be wrong if you just complain about the incumbent or anyone we’re linked with but never actually suggest anyone.

It’s been a bad couple of years for the former hipsters’ flavours of the months: Bielsa, Rodgers, Potter, Nuno, Lage, Marsch have all crashed and burned.

They’ll probably just say De Zerbi or that Norwegian bloke that big oil wanted, or failing that whichever foreign manager might have won a trophy yesterday.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Agree with most, ppl certainly can be unhappy with certain decisons and we are lal allowed our opininons...its the bo-polar extreme nature of it AGAIN.

And TBH, im not sure some of these so called bad decisions he has made, are even THAT bad.

Seems to be Keane & Holgate, and thats it.

Its always something with our fans....something thats the end of the world, none of his decisions have harmed us THAT much IMO, and I completely get Dyche reasons for wanting to trust a player he has known for around 10 years.

If we lack any options, its vertainly NOT down to Dyche, its the board and who put this squad together.

Yeah I agree mate, I just think that we are always dangerous in the its only Like/Dislike, or Sack/Keep, its never just simply, right he's done well but XYZ have been weird decisions.

There's a few things I've listed with Dyche which I have found confusing, weird things like we are usually first out for the second half by 2 minutes, and always seem to start the second half poorly, corner set up when we clearly concede badly from free opposition on the edge of the box.

Dyche isn't the problem, 100%, he hasn't put this squad together and he is only working with the tools he has - I could point to a few things tbh though where I think he hasn't lived upto expectation - however flip side is I never thought we would create 50% as much as we have under him.

I think its fine to critique a manager and decisions, its healthy and part of any job, without the extremes or arguing if they should be sacked or not.

Lampard, no matter how nice a man he was, should have been sacked on performances and lack of knowledge, if Dyche keeps us up he deserves longer - I am not sure (either way to be fair) if we go down if we should keep him.

 

[Toffeelover]

At the time i didnt want Howe as stated above., and i wont be the only one who didnt see what hes achieved at Newcastle since he's been there.

Do you see a style change in Dyche if personnel changes in the summer? I don't mate, Pickford will still be going long everytime he gets the ball.
Regarding another manager i don't know, but my original point was Dyche style IMO has a ceiling and that ceiling is bottom half of PL. I hope i am wrong if we retain our PL status and he is our manager next season.

I agree, if he had been top PL half other clubs would have chased him.

 

[DualityNSNO]

You didn't want Howe as you judged him solely on him at Bournemouth.

I'm suggesting we don't do the same with Dyche at Burnley.

Dyche is a prgamatist and I do think he'd change his style - he's changed how we've setup a few times already with such a limited squad depth.

I don't think we have a lot to spend in the summer and I think next season is another with focus on staying in the league.

In both cases this is the only thing they can be judged on as they'd done nothing else, what the actual hell?

Should we judge them on dress sense or?

Dyche is a stubborn slug and he'll continue to be one; I'm willing to bet 1 eurodollar that:
* we will sign "experienced" 26+ year old players even if we have money, as that's what he always does;
* if we sign youth they'll only play when the old farts are injured (just like Keane, Tarks, McNeil etc. at Burnley; just like Patterson et al at Everton);
* play the exact same safe way we have now even in games where we absolutely have to go for a win;
* have no idea how to organise an attacking unit other than hoof it to the striker and shoot on sight;
* late/never use subs;
* no game management;
* stable plan A, no plan B whatsoever which leads to more bizarre decisions.

Vault me on this, step by step if you want, I don't care.

Howe changed a lot about how he managed teams and learned - it shows;
Dyche definitely doesn't strike anyone as a person who would do that.

 

[JLW]

You didn't want Howe as you judged him solely on him at Bournemouth.

I'm suggesting we don't do the same with Dyche at Burnley.

Dyche is a prgamatist and I do think he'd change his style - he's changed how we've setup a few times already with such a limited squad depth.

I don't think we have a lot to spend in the summer and I think next season is another with focus on staying in the league.

I judged Howe on not ever being at a big club and thought it maybe too much of a risk especially at this circus plus i didn't rate him much.

I believe keeping Dyche guarantees we will be in a relegation fight next season based on his style, just my opinion

I don't see style changes i see formation and personnel changes followed by hoofball, again my opinion.
He has played Godfrey at full back whilst having an actual FB fit
Holgate/Michael Keane starting games, bringing Maupay on and still playing boomball instead of a like for like with Simms for DCL. Making changes too late when we are 2 goals down. I know he is limited because the squad but a lot of defeats during his time here are on him.
Playing a highline against Utd away but not pressing! Suicidal
His style is based upon his No9 being fit and bang at it week in week out, which leads to inconsistency.

Do you see us being progressive under him from next season and beyond? I dont
If he keeps us up hes done a great job if he doesnt then hes failed, just because he may/will keep us up doesnt mean i want him around any longer.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I judged Howe on not ever being at a big club and thought it maybe too much of a risk especially at this circus plus i didn't rate him much.

I believe keeping Dyche guarantees we will be in a relegation fight next season based on his style, just my opinion

I don't see style changes i see formation and personnel changes followed by hoofball, again my opinion.
He has played Godfrey at full back whilst having an actual FB fit
Holgate/Michael Keane starting games, bringing Maupay on and still playing boomball instead of a like for like with Simms for DCL. Making changes too late when we are 2 goals down. I know he is limited because the squad but a lot of defeats during his time here are on him.
Playing a highline against Utd away but not pressing! Suicidal
His style is based upon his No9 being fit and bang at it week in week out, which leads to inconsistency.

Do you see us being progressive under him from next season and beyond? I dont
If he keeps us up hes done a great job if he doesnt then hes failed, just because he may/will keep us up doesnt mean i want him around any longer.

I see Dyche keeping us up as the most impressive individual managerial achievement in almost a decade at the club.

I see constant bed wetting, a false sense of entitlement and misguided reality as to what Everton currently is as a football club as a contributary factor to driving us to the brink, again.

I think you overestimate the team we have. The reality is - a team who can't score goals are always going to be bang in trouble. Any manager needs to surrender any ideas they have around football to try an compensate for that god awful final third we have. I guarantee if I searched your posts in August/September when the window shut - you be posting we'd be fine and wouldn't struggle for goals.

I think you overestimate where we will be as a club next season. The aim of next season is to avoid relegation.

I'll say it again, if you're saying to sack Dyche now, tell us who replaces him. If you cant do that, tell me what 'progressive' means? Because to me, it's about consolidation/trying to stay in this league until we have new owners/Bramley Moore is built.

 

[sandybrownsbighead]

At the time i didnt want Howe as stated above., and i wont be the only one who didnt see what hes achieved at Newcastle since he's been there.

Do you see a style change in Dyche if personnel changes in the summer? I don't mate, Pickford will still be going long everytime he gets the ball.
Regarding another manager i don't know, but my original point was Dyche style IMO has a ceiling and that ceiling is bottom half of PL. I hope i am wrong if we retain our PL status and he is our manager next season.

Spot on. There is no possibility of development with Dyche. I don't dislike him but he is set in his ways and is unlikely to change. Whether it's possible to get a tune out of this mob, no matter who is in charge, I don’t know. But sticking with Dyche is as good as admitting we want a manager who can cope with a relegation scrap next season.

 

[Billy Dean]

I actually think we've played some decent stuff under him TBF.