2023/24 Sean Dyche

[NathDogg]

Dunno what chermiti and dobbin have to do to get a few more mins - dyche needs to use the subs better than he is.

McNeil didn’t look right and only just started training - don’t think he should have come on before them.

 

[Toffeelover]

Dunno what chermiti and dobbin have to do to get a few more mins - dyche needs to use the subs better than he is.

McNeil didn’t look right and only just started training - don’t think he should have come on before them.

Dyche prefers to use old experienced players for the most part.

 

[chuffy]

He was at Burnley for 10yrs and never changed his style. And you will say he had no money well he brought in 150mil and could have used that to buy a different type of player, Moyes did it at Everton with no money.

Huh? You make it sound like Dyche was chairman.
Transfermarkt only show in euros, but it says he expended €227,5m in players over 10 years (2012-2022), with an average of €22.8m per season and just under €6m per player. Top transfer was €17m on Weghorst, so about £15m.

Over 11 years, in the decade prior, (2002-2013) Moyes spent €202.5m with an average of €18.5m per season and just over €4m per player. Top transfer paid was €21m on Fellani.

So, basically, Moyes having "no money" was actually significantly more than Dyche had over a similar time frame, by the time you take into account how far £1m of player got you in 2000-2010 versus 2010-2020

 

[blueboy72]

Huh? You make it sound like Dyche was chairman.
Transfermarkt only show in euros, but it says he expended €227,5m in players over 10 years (2012-2022), with an average of €22.8m per season and just under €6m per player. Top transfer was €17m on Weghorst, so about £15m.

Over 11 years, in the decade prior, (2002-2013) Moyes spent €202.5m with an average of €18.5m per season and just over €4m per player. Top transfer paid was €21m on Fellani.

So, basically, Moyes having "no money" was actually significantly more than Dyche had over a similar time frame, by the time you take into account how far £1m of player got you in 2000-2010 versus 2010-2020

Moyes had to sell to buy, i think Moyes had a debt of around 20mil in all his time at Everton, dyche had to as well my point was Moyes improved the quality of our Team football wise. Dyche didnt at Burnley.

Moyes was still quite pragmatic, but the 2009 to 2012 was a much better team than the team that got 4th in 2004. Also by 2012 Chelsea and city had started to spend big and spurs to a lesser extent.

 

[chuffy]

Moyes had to sell to buy, i think Moyes had a debt of around 20mil in all his time at Everton, dyche had to as well my point was Moyes improved the quality of our Team football wise. Dyche didnt at Burnley.

Moyes was still quite pragmatic, but the 2009 to 2012 was a much better team than the team that got 4th in 2004. Also by 2012 Chelsea and city had started to spend big and spurs to a lesser extent.

He most certainly did.

He took over a Championship side, got them promoted, then turned them into a stable PL team. All while consistently having anyone of value sold from under him.

Moyes took a PL team and maintained it. Could even argue he took one that had won an FA Cup 7 years prior, and left the team as one that hadn't won a cup for 18 years.

 

[blueboy72]

He most certainly did.

He took over a Championship side, got them promoted, then turned them into a stable PL team. All while consistently having anyone of value sold from under him.

Moyes took a PL team and maintained it. Could even argue he took one that had won an FA Cup 7 years prior, and left the team as one that hadn't won a cup for 18 years.

Was mainly talking of playing style which you seemed to have conveniently missed.

So he brought them up and then they went back down got them back up and steadied the ship then got them 7th and then went backwards resulting in relegation, while playing the same tactics.

Moyes took over a team having not finished higher than 13th the previous 6yrs and then got them 7th first season and over his 11 full seasons finished in the top 8, 9 out of 11. While selling to buy and improving the team from playing style point of view. I went to his last ever game v West Ham and we should have put 7 past them, but it was a fantastic team performance. Not sure how you can criticise Moyes but think dyche did a tremendous job at Burnley taking them down twice

 

[Zatara]

A young manager who wants to play attacking football and try and win games. Not have one plan and that is don’t conceade a goal , his after match interview yesterday first thing he mentioned was the clean sheet.

We have a DOF who gets paid a lot of money to find these managers, he wanted Corberan not dyche who’s going a good job at West Brom, Bournemouth have found a good manager who’s got them playing good attacking football in 4 months

1: If you dont concede, you dont lose.

2: If our attacking players (all but doucoure) could hit the target we'd be far higher in the league.

The issue isnt with the style of play, the issue is with the attacking players.

Also Harrison and McNeil are not pretty footballers. There biggest strengths are hard work from an attacking points of view they’re bottom half prem players. Both slow hardly ever go past a full back, scored 2 goals each, and occasionally put in a good crosss or pass. Imagine us getting 65/70 for Onana and dyche wanting us to spend 25 on Harrison

McNeil is a good player and effective on both defence and attack.

Remember he rejected Coady and put Branthwaite in.

I dont think he will keep Harrison & it would be Thelwell in control i expect.

Players being linked are all u23.

We simply lack a clinical CF & RW player. Sign those two and we'll look far more effective.

 

[chuffy]

Was mainly talking of playing style which you seemed to have conveniently missed.

So he brought them up and then they went back down got them back up and steadied the ship then got them 7th and then went backwards resulting in relegation, while playing the same tactics.

Moyes took over a team having not finished higher than 13th the previous 6yrs and then got them 7th first season and over his 11 full seasons finished in the top 8, 9 out of 11. While selling to buy and improving the team from playing style point of view. I went to his last ever game v West Ham and we should have put 7 past them, but it was a fantastic team performance. Not sure how you can criticise Moyes but think dyche did a tremendous job at Burnley taking them down twice

You seem to be totally glossing over the starting points (where Everton were, versus where Burnley were) - not least that I didn't criticise Moyes, but rather the projection of your argument being that Moyes appears to be criticised when juxtaposing your points with his term

Burney were a Championship side and he was given next to no backing at all to keep them as a PL side. They only went backwards when that 7th place finish got them into Europe and they didn't have a deep enough squad. Happens to teams all the time.

If you want to bemoan the concept of "playing style" when talking about teams that are destined for relegation, look no further than this season's Burnley.
Only an idiot tries to take on the PL using attacking football with a bottom half quality squad.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

A young manager who wants to play attacking football and try and win games. Not have one plan and that is don’t conceade a goal , his after match interview yesterday first thing he mentioned was the clean sheet.

We have a DOF who gets paid a lot of money to find these managers, he wanted Corberan not dyche who’s going a good job at West Brom, Bournemouth have found a good manager who’s got them playing good attacking football in 4 months

You're too obvious.

 

[blueboy72]

1: If you dont concede, you dont lose.

2: If our attacking players (all but doucoure) could hit the target we'd be far higher in the league.

The issue isnt with the style of play, the issue is with the attacking players.




McNeil is a good player and effective on both defence and attack.

Remember he rejected Coady and put Branthwaite in.

I dont think he will keep Harrison & it would be Thelwell in control i expect.

Players being linked are all u23.

We simply lack a clinical CF & RW player. Sign those two and we'll look far more effective.

Ifs buts and maybes . Surprised you didn’t mention Xg. All the teams in the bottom half will have sob stories. We never win when we concede first, think that says it all about dyche.

 

[blueboy72]

You seem to be totally glossing over the starting points (where Everton were, versus where Burnley were) - not least that I didn't criticise Moyes, but rather the projection of your argument being that Moyes appears to be criticised when juxtaposing your points with his term

Burney were a Championship side and he was given next to no backing at all to keep them as a PL side. They only went backwards when that 7th place finish got them into Europe and they didn't have a deep enough squad. Happens to teams all the time.

If you want to bemoan the concept of "playing style" when talking about teams that are destined for relegation, look no further than this season's Burnley.
Only an idiot tries to take on the PL using attacking football with a bottom half quality squad.

Bournemouth manager not doing a bad job and potter did it at Brighton. Moyes turned a bottom half finishing Everton into a regular European chasing team. Dyche became a yo-yo ‘manager at Burnley, then one fluke season, before going backwards. Every man and his dog knew Burnley were going down in his last couple years and he couldn’t do nothing about it

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Unironically, thank god we have Dyche at the wheel for all of this crap going on. I don't know many managers that would put up with this nonsense

 

[chuffy]

Bournemouth manager not doing a bad job and potter did it at Brighton. Moyes turned a bottom half finishing Everton into a regular European chasing team. Dyche became a yo-yo ‘manager at Burnley, then one fluke season, before going backwards.

6 straight seasons in the Premier League isn't a "yo-yo manager". You don't come across as knowledgable on the subject of Dyche/Burnley, and are repeating things I'd expect to hear from Talksport as reactionary/hyperbolic statements

Every man and his dog knew Burnley were going down in his last couple years and he couldn’t do nothing about it

Except they didn't. The season they went down, after sacking him, was the same one where they sold their main goalscorer (Wood) to Newcastle for £25m. Burnley were, effectively, sabotaging him at every opportunity.

Regardless, Everton have spent the last two season finishing as close to relegation as you can get, but he's still got the club out of the bottom 3 despite being penalised for how the club has been ran during those prior seasons.

 

[blueboy72]

6 straight seasons in the Premier League isn't a "yo-yo manager". You don't come across as knowledgable on the subject of Dyche/Burnley, and are repeating things I'd expect to hear from Talksport as reactionary/hyperbolic statements


Except they didn't. The season they went down, after sacking him, was the same one where they sold their main goalscorer (Wood) to Newcastle for £25m. Burnley were, effectively, sabotaging him at every opportunity.

Regardless, Everton have spent the last two season finishing as close to relegation as you can get, but he's still got the club out of the bottom 3 despite being penalised for how the club has been ran during those prior seasons.

Oh so he’s not to blame them getting relegated in 21/22, though he took charge of 30 games and averaged 0.8 a game. New manager got 1.4 points per game in the last 8 games

But he saved us in 22/23 having 18 games in charge all making sense now. Well enjoy dyche until he’s gone

 

[Daytripper]

Unironically, thank god we have Dyche at the wheel for all of this crap going on. I don't know many managers that would put up with this nonsense

For a few million quid a year I doubt there would many who wouldn't put up with it