2023/24 Sean Dyche

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We had Moyes and a chance to push on as a club and never truly backed him. We have then a succession of frauds who we backed completely, then we get Dyche who is not everyone’s cup of tea but probably deserves to be backed and he’s left shopping on Klarna with buy now pay later deals.
We bring it on ourselves.
As someone as who has been anti Kenwright from day one I will always blame him for it all.
Passed over Investors for 20 years until he found one that would let him stay, and despite having a big say right through Moshiri’s tenure tried to say he couldn’t do anything about it all to once again defect blame.
 
chippy1722 said:
We had Moyes and a chance to push on as a club and never truly backed him. We have then a succession of frauds who we backed completely, then we get Dyche who is not everyone’s cup of tea but probably deserves to be backed and he’s left shopping on Klarna with buy now pay later deals.
We bring it on ourselves.
As someone as who has been anti Kenwright from day one I will always blame him for it all.
Passed over Investors for 20 years until he found one that would let him stay, and despite having a big say right through Moshiri’s tenure tried to say he couldn’t do anything about it all to once again defect blame.
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If we had money dyche wouldn’t have got the job
 
Simon Buttle said:
When we have 2 fullbacks in the team but they play so narrow they play like CB and when we play with 2 wingers who end up playing more like wing backs to cover for it meaning we are often exposed in the wide areas it very much IS down to the manager and his tactics Zat. Don't even get me started on how wasted Dom is in this system or how much better Onana/Garner would be if we actually let them on the ball every now and again.
Also Sean Dyche gets paid £3m a year to find solutions (as you put it) with the squad he has. Why isn't he spending more time drilling all the attacking players through moves/shape in the final third to try and encourage more chances? This is the sort of thing the top coaches would be doing, not looking to buy their way out of trouble.
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We’ve just been in back to back relegation battles whilst looking completely spineless and cowardly and not having any semblance of play style

Dyche has earned us the points to be comfortably midtable and has a team that is well organised, fights for 90 minutes and gives everything for the club. He managed to achieve this with no major signings, net positive spend, a big tightening of the wage bill and (given we’ve had a solid half a season) it’s fair to say he achieved it within about six months.

The man is doing a fantastic job. It’s not perfect and there’s plenty more to improve but he’s made incredible strides in this short period with one hand tied behind his back.
 

Shibbywiggles said:
We’ve just been in back to back relegation battles whilst looking completely spineless and cowardly and not having any semblance of play style

Dyche has earned us the points to be comfortably midtable and has a team that is well organised, fights for 90 minutes and gives everything for the club. He managed to achieve this with no major signings, net positive spend, a big tightening of the wage bill and (given we’ve had a solid half a season) it’s fair to say he achieved it within about six months.

The man is doing a fantastic job. It’s not perfect and there’s plenty more to improve but he’s made incredible strides in this short period with one hand tied behind his back.
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I'm not saying he isn't, I was merely stating that there are things he could do to improve our attacking output without the need for more players which is what Zat was suggesting.
 
Mrbluenose said:
So apparently the Premier League Manager of the Season is chosen by a panel assembled by the league's sponsors.

If we end up with -20 and Dyche keeps us up he's got to be in with a shout.

They'd never choose him, Masters wouldn't let them. Would be funny though.
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Depends really. If we get -20 (we won't) and we stay up with 32 points, it's technically only the same season Fulham and Brentford had last season points wise. There's the added adversity we're against but if anything that should galvanise the players, particularly with the kind of fanbase we have.
 
LucBesson said:
Depends really. If we get -20 (we won't) and we stay up with 32 points, it's technically only the same season Fulham and Brentford had last season points wise. There's the added adversity we're against but if anything that should galvanise the players, particularly with the kind of fanbase we have.
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I think we have to at this point assume -20.

If found guilty of the same offence a 2nd time you at the very least expect the same punishment, if not harsher for being a repeat offender. Also don't forget most people were expecting a fine or transfer ban first time round.

It is of course nonsense. Ten points is ridiculously harsh, -20 would be obscene.

Thankfully we have a manager who can keep the squad moving forward.
 

Simon Buttle said:
When we have 2 fullbacks in the team but they play so narrow they play like CB and when we play with 2 wingers who end up playing more like wing backs to cover for it meaning we are often exposed in the wide areas it very much IS down to the manager and his tactics Zat. Don't even get me started on how wasted Dom is in this system or how much better Onana/Garner would be if we actually let them on the ball every now and again.
Also Sean Dyche gets paid £3m a year to find solutions (as you put it) with the squad he has. Why isn't he spending more time drilling all the attacking players through moves/shape in the final third to try and encourage more chances? This is the sort of thing the top coaches would be doing, not looking to buy their way out of trouble.
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Maybe he is but as a unit they dont work?

Bring in Yakubu & Kanchelskis and we'd be miles higher up the league.
 
Simon Buttle said:
I'm not saying he isn't, I was merely stating that there are things he could do to improve our attacking output without the need for more players which is what Zat was suggesting.
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And I think that’s harsh given he’s been here less than a year and has already had such a positive impact. All the best managers build from the back, make sure you’re solid and then improve the way we go forward and from what I can see he’s made a brilliant start in that transformation.

Ancelotti was just as negative in his tactics but because of his history and the fact that our attacks had James and Richarlison flair rather than McNeil and Harrison very few complained.

Like I said, it’s a work in progress, but the level of frustration you’re putting out there in your post sounds like you’re not accepting the time required to turn us around from just how crap we were.
 
Mrbluenose said:
I think we have to at this point assume -20.

If found guilty of the same offence a 2nd time you at the very least expect the same punishment, if not harsher for being a repeat offender. Also don't forget most people were expecting a fine or transfer ban first time round.

It is of course nonsense. Ten points is ridiculously harsh, -20 would be obscene.

Thankfully we have a manager who can keep the squad moving forward.
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I certainly don’t.
 

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