2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Let's take a look at this squad, shall we? And you tell me how Dyche is doing it wrong

LB - Mykolenko. Pre-Dyche many wanted to run him out of town. He's now a very solid premier league fullback
CB - Tarkowski. Old school warrior. A centre-backs centre back. Limited "modern" CB
CB - Branthwaite. Arguably our best player from a modern footballing perspective. Actually, probably not even arguably. He is
RB - Coleman is STILL our best all around option there, and he's pushing 50. Patterson has limitations in defence/positionally. Godfrey has been doing a job, but has zero going forward, even if Dyche were to ever let him off the leash
CM - Gana. Pure destroyer. Elite even if this was his only job. Horrific on the ball
CM - Garner. Perhaps, one day, could be a solid mid table box to box midfielder for a team pushing for Europe. Not a world beater. But solid.
CM - Onana. Raw but does things the rest of the team cannot do. Is able to drive forward and pick the occasional pass. Will need to develop to get more goals. Terrible shot.
Wings - Harrison and McNeil. Two of the slowest wide players in the premier league. Both excellent tracking back. Both with the occasional wand of a left foot. Bottom half premier league players
Off striker - Doucoure. Let's face it that's what he is. Horrific with the ball at his feet. Has an uncanny ability to get into the right position to score goals, feed off scraps. Has an engine. Not a technical footballer by any stretch
Striker - DCL. Good in the air while holding up play. Terrible in the air while trying to score goals. No shot to speak of. Even during his purple patch under Carlo, it wasn't all that convincing. But he's still our best striker.

How would any other manager scrape more points with this squad playing better football?

Long term, I can't imagine anyone on this board wants Dyche. We want better football, that's for sure.

But for now, I can't imagine anyone else doing better with what we got

 

[Curtis]

Let's take a look at this squad, shall we? And you tell me how Dyche is doing it wrong

LB - Mykolenko. Pre-Dyche many wanted to run him out of town. He's now a very solid premier league fullback
CB - Tarkowski. Old school warrior. A centre-backs centre back. Limited "modern" CB
CB - Branthwaite. Arguably our best player from a modern footballing perspective. Actually, probably not even arguably. He is
RB - Coleman is STILL our best all around option there, and he's pushing 50. Patterson has limitations in defence/positionally. Godfrey has been doing a job, but has zero going forward, even if Dyche were to ever let him off the leash
CM - Gana. Pure destroyer. Elite even if this was his only job. Horrific on the ball
CM - Garner. Perhaps, one day, could be a solid mid table box to box midfielder for a team pushing for Europe. Not a world beater. But solid.
CM - Onana. Raw but does things the rest of the team cannot do. Is able to drive forward and pick the occasional pass. Will need to develop to get more goals. Terrible shot.
Wings - Harrison and McNeil. Two of the slowest wide players in the premier league. Both excellent tracking back. Both with the occasional wand of a left foot. Bottom half premier league players
Off striker - Doucoure. Let's face it that's what he is. Horrific with the ball at his feet. Has an uncanny ability to get into the right position to score goals, feed off scraps. Has an engine. Not a technical footballer by any stretch
Striker - DCL. Good in the air while holding up play. Terrible in the air while trying to score goals. No shot to speak of. Even during his purple patch under Carlo, it wasn't all that convincing. But he's still our best striker.

How would any other manager scrape more points with this squad playing better football?

Long term, I can't imagine anyone on this board wants Dyche. We want better football, that's for sure.

But for now, I can't imagine anyone else doing better with what we got

I agree with the overall gist of your post but other managers are out there in different leagues it's just not easy to see whether they would be able to adapt right away but I think someone like Howe could do a job with this squad who made a sean longstaff along with other mediocre players a formidable force

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I agree with the overall gist of your post but other managers are out there in different leagues it's just not easy to see whether they would be able to adapt right away but I think someone like Howe could do a job with this squad who made a sean longstaff along with other mediocre players a formidable force

I guess my overall point is sure, there may be others who could do better. Statistically speaking.

But there is far more downside with the wrong manager than upside with a better manager.

All about risk/reward given our position as a Club at the moment

 

[Carlito]

I don't know why people even bother with these endless circular arguments.

He isn't going anywhere unless he either walks - which he will never do, as he would struggle to get another job in the division - or the club is sold.

Until then, it's better to just work on convincing yourself that you really, really love corners.

 

[hippopotamus]

Let's take a look at this squad, shall we? And you tell me how Dyche is doing it wrong

LB - Mykolenko. Pre-Dyche many wanted to run him out of town. He's now a very solid premier league fullback
CB - Tarkowski. Old school warrior. A centre-backs centre back. Limited "modern" CB
CB - Branthwaite. Arguably our best player from a modern footballing perspective. Actually, probably not even arguably. He is
RB - Coleman is STILL our best all around option there, and he's pushing 50. Patterson has limitations in defence/positionally. Godfrey has been doing a job, but has zero going forward, even if Dyche were to ever let him off the leash
CM - Gana. Pure destroyer. Elite even if this was his only job. Horrific on the ball
CM - Garner. Perhaps, one day, could be a solid mid table box to box midfielder for a team pushing for Europe. Not a world beater. But solid.
CM - Onana. Raw but does things the rest of the team cannot do. Is able to drive forward and pick the occasional pass. Will need to develop to get more goals. Terrible shot.
Wings - Harrison and McNeil. Two of the slowest wide players in the premier league. Both excellent tracking back. Both with the occasional wand of a left foot. Bottom half premier league players
Off striker - Doucoure. Let's face it that's what he is. Horrific with the ball at his feet. Has an uncanny ability to get into the right position to score goals, feed off scraps. Has an engine. Not a technical footballer by any stretch
Striker - DCL. Good in the air while holding up play. Terrible in the air while trying to score goals. No shot to speak of. Even during his purple patch under Carlo, it wasn't all that convincing. But he's still our best striker.

How would any other manager scrape more points with this squad playing better football?

Long term, I can't imagine anyone on this board wants Dyche. We want better football, that's for sure.

But for now, I can't imagine anyone else doing better with what we got

Much better squad (you forgot Pickford for some reason) than Sheffield United, Burnley, and Luton. Better than Crystal Palace without Eze and Olise (they've played 4 games with them both in the starting 11) and Brentford without Toney. More or less on a par with Bournemouth, Wolves , Nottingham, Fulham.

I don't know why people are making a miracle worker of him.

 

[blueblue]

Much better squad (you forgot Pickford for some reason) than Sheffield United, Burnley, and Luton. Better than Crystal Palace without Eze and Olise (they've played 4 games with them both in the starting 11) and Brentford without Toney. More or less on a par with Bournemouth, Wolves , Nottingham, Fulham.

I don't know why people are making a miracle worker of him.

31 points in February with a squad that survived the last two seasons almost at the last game of the season is in fact pretty close to working miracles.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Much better squad (you forgot Pickford for some reason) than Sheffield United, Burnley, and Luton. Better than Crystal Palace without Eze and Olise (they've played 4 games with them both in the starting 11) and Brentford without Toney. More or less on a par with Bournemouth, Wolves , Nottingham, Fulham.

I don't know why people are making a miracle worker of him.

Managers don't affect goalkeeping, so I left him out

Dyche has us above all those teams you mention and a point off Fulham and way off Wolves.

Wolves have better attacking options that we do. Chan and Neto alone are miles better than anything we have. And that's before talking about Cunha.

Fulham has much more technical players than we do attack. In fact, we sold our only technical player to them (other than the oft-injured Gomes), because he was rubbish. I remember, because that's what everyone called him on this board

 

[DualityNSNO]

Managers don't affect goalkeeping, so I left him out

Dyche has us above all those teams you mention and a point off Fulham and way off Wolves.

Wolves have better attacking options that we do. Chan and Neto alone are miles better than anything we have. And that's before talking about Cunha.

Fulham has much more technical players than we do attack. In fact, we sold our only technical player to them (other than the oft-injured Gomes), because he was rubbish. I remember, because that's what everyone called him on this board

I also remember, people did it because he was rubbish for us.

 

[Egil Olsen]

People say Dyche's tactics are about minimizing risk. Well, so what? What do you think Guardiola is doing? The difference is that he has the world's best players at his disposal, and can therefore carry out endless passing drills on the pitch until the opponent gets tired.

Modern football is boring and robotic with endless passing and almost zero risk in the game. The difference between Dyche and Guardiola is not that one takes big risks while the other takes little, on the contrary, the difference is only the way they do it. In fact, Dyche take a bit more risk because they actually try to play vertically every now and then. However, one is a dinosaur, while the other is a genius.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

People say Dyche's tactics are about minimizing risk. Well, so what? What do you think Guardiola is doing? The difference is that he has the world's best players at his disposal, and can therefore carry out endless passing drills on the pitch until the opponent gets tired.

Modern football is boring and robotic with endless passing and almost zero risk in the game. The difference between Dyche and Guardiola is not that one takes big risks while the other takes little, on the contrary, the difference is only the way they do it. In fact, Dyche take a bit more risk because they actually try to play vertically every now and then. However, one is a dinosaur, while the other is a genius.

Funniest post of the day !
Equating Guardiola with Dyche

 

[Ruairi77]

Let's take a look at this squad, shall we? And you tell me how Dyche is doing it wrong

LB - Mykolenko. Pre-Dyche many wanted to run him out of town. He's now a very solid premier league fullback
CB - Tarkowski. Old school warrior. A centre-backs centre back. Limited "modern" CB
CB - Branthwaite. Arguably our best player from a modern footballing perspective. Actually, probably not even arguably. He is
RB - Coleman is STILL our best all around option there, and he's pushing 50. Patterson has limitations in defence/positionally. Godfrey has been doing a job, but has zero going forward, even if Dyche were to ever let him off the leash
CM - Gana. Pure destroyer. Elite even if this was his only job. Horrific on the ball
CM - Garner. Perhaps, one day, could be a solid mid table box to box midfielder for a team pushing for Europe. Not a world beater. But solid.
CM - Onana. Raw but does things the rest of the team cannot do. Is able to drive forward and pick the occasional pass. Will need to develop to get more goals. Terrible shot.
Wings - Harrison and McNeil. Two of the slowest wide players in the premier league. Both excellent tracking back. Both with the occasional wand of a left foot. Bottom half premier league players
Off striker - Doucoure. Let's face it that's what he is. Horrific with the ball at his feet. Has an uncanny ability to get into the right position to score goals, feed off scraps. Has an engine. Not a technical footballer by any stretch
Striker - DCL. Good in the air while holding up play. Terrible in the air while trying to score goals. No shot to speak of. Even during his purple patch under Carlo, it wasn't all that convincing. But he's still our best striker.

How would any other manager scrape more points with this squad playing better football?

Long term, I can't imagine anyone on this board wants Dyche. We want better football, that's for sure.

But for now, I can't imagine anyone else doing better with what we got

good post.
I think the way Dyche sets up is very defensive so it's no surprise our back line have great stats.
When I look at the way we play I have a lot of questions about how he's doing it.

I think the inter play between our full backs and wingers is really poor. Sometimes It's like they've never played together.
Neither full back or winger ever take the ball to the touch line and put in a cross from there.

Maybe we were spoiled with the likes of baines and Pienar, or even Digne and Richarlison but, I definitely think Dyche doesnt get the most out of the left wing and the right wing is an absolute mess most of the time.

I also think DCL is lacking proper attacking coaching. His positional sense and timing is off. He's too often in the wrong place or a second too late. It's obvious none of Dyche, Woan or Stone were Strikers.

I think Dyche is too stubborn, persisting with Young when there are different options. (same with Keane last year)
His subs are more miss than hit.

I know he's had his hands tied and working at Everton this season seems like a punishing job but when I watch his teams play, 90% of the time I'm just frustrated.

I think tonnes of managers would do better with what we've got, problem is, I doubt any of them would want to.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

good post.
I think the way Dyche sets up is very defensive so it's no surprise our back line have great stats.
When I look at the way we play I have a lot of questions about how he's doing it.

I think the inter play between our full backs and wingers is really poor. Sometimes It's like they've never played together.
Neither full back or winger ever take the ball to the touch line and put in a cross from there.

Maybe we were spoiled with the likes of baines and Pienar, or even Digne and Richarlison but, I definitely think Dyche doesnt get the most out of the left wing and the right wing is an absolute mess most of the time.

I also think DCL is lacking proper attacking coaching. His positional sense and timing is off. He's too often in the wrong place or a second too late. It's obvious none of Dyche, Woan or Stone were Strikers.

I think Dyche is too stubborn, persisting with Young when there are different options. (same with Keane last year)
His subs are more miss than hit.

I know he's had his hands tied and working at Everton this season seems like a punishing job but when I watch his teams play, 90% of the time I'm just frustrated.

I think tonnes of managers would do better with what we've got, problem is, I doubt any of them would want to.

In this sense it's where Dyche is a dinosaur. In the Dyche set up, the job of the full back is solely to defend. It's not to get forward. At all. And that makes it much tougher for us to create chances consistently.

On a better side with better footballers, that would be way too conservative.

But in a side like ours, that's pragmatic.

Sure, I'd like to see more flair against lesser sides, particularly at home. I just don't see that happening unless our league position is more secured

 

[DualityNSNO]

People say Dyche's tactics are about minimizing risk. Well, so what? What do you think Guardiola is doing? The difference is that he has the world's best players at his disposal, and can therefore carry out endless passing drills on the pitch until the opponent gets tired.

Modern football is boring and robotic with endless passing and almost zero risk in the game. The difference between Dyche and Guardiola is not that one takes big risks while the other takes little, on the contrary, the difference is only the way they do it. In fact, Dyche take a bit more risk because they actually try to play vertically every now and then. However, one is a dinosaur, while the other is a genius.

Absolutely mad comparison lol

 

[Drico]

People say Dyche's tactics are about minimizing risk. Well, so what? What do you think Guardiola is doing? The difference is that he has the world's best players at his disposal, and can therefore carry out endless passing drills on the pitch until the opponent gets tired.

Modern football is boring and robotic with endless passing and almost zero risk in the game. The difference between Dyche and Guardiola is not that one takes big risks while the other takes little, on the contrary, the difference is only the way they do it. In fact, Dyche take a bit more risk because they actually try to play vertically every now and then. However, one is a dinosaur, while the other is a genius.

People are laughing at you but the fact is Guardiola's style of play is all about "control" - minimising risk by keeping the ball at all costs. The last thing he wants is chaos - such as what Klopp brings - because that causes a loss of control and increases risk. I don't know whether Dyche takes more risk or not, but I do know he is at more risk of disaster than Pep for the reason you have given: the quality of player at his disposal.

 

[blueblue]

Funniest post of the day !
Equating Guardiola with Dyche

That is a very simplistic interpretation of what he said. I think anybody with half a brain and without an agenda would be able to understand what was meant tbh.