2023/24 Sean Dyche

[jazzy]

I actually think getting the points deduction has suited dyche.
His tactics and the way he plays suits the strap in for the ride, grind it out, ugly game.

I actually feel he doesnt have the ability to take a fairly average set of players any higher than reaching the minimum to stay up.

Second lowest scorers in the prem. but up until few weeks back, had the most goals from set pieces in league and only the top 3 conceding less goals, shows you where his weakness lies.

And lets be honest, take branthwaite out of the team and wed be relegated this year even without points deduction.

I think this is an accurate summation of Dyche

He doesn't improve players , he doesn't coach attacking or fluid play .

I read others say that he would be more progressive or change his style of play with better players or money to spend but there is zero evidence of that , sorry it's just fanciful.

You know what you get with Dyche. It's dour , it's turgid but he will get you enough points to stay in the division.

 

[bicycleheader]

On the flip side, I feel people who think the job he’s done is unacceptable or is beneath Everton have their heads buried in the sand. The footballing side has been run just as poorly as everything else in this club and he has provided stability.

The club is in shambles and he’s put together a squad that can defend, and bar more outrageous stuff from the PL, will likely stay in the league despite having points robbed

This isn’t Evertons glory days. It’s not even Moyes, Martinez or Silva. The club is broken completely, people need to accept that.

No one is happy we are where we are. But we are there and it has little to do with Sean Dyche. If the club were managed properly the past 7-8 years, he would never have gotten an interview here

I think there's just fans that don't want to engage properly the thought of how grim our situation is right now. They are coping as they can, which is fair enough.

They want the comfort blanket of your usual "we are crap, sack the manager" discussion as it's what they know and it would be nice to think that's all that is wrong here.

Well not in this latest version of Everton it's not. Its never been as bad as this.

I'd love to know where are all these happy clappers. Bar a couple posters on here the most positive stance you get on the manager is mainly he is going to keep us up, that's about as far as it goes. The manager is tolerated, rather than actively supported by most.

 

[blueboy72]

Are you saying that the Liverpool players Klopp inherited from Rodgers were Everton standard?

Doucoure is an athlete but a very limited footballer.
Andre Gomes completely lacks the pace needed for the premiership.
Ashley Young is 39, Seamus Coleman is 35.
James Garner still a premiership novice, although a very decent player, he needs break as the continuous games are affecting his form.
Last Saturday, the team picked itself, we only had three midfielders available... nobody else.
The choice wide right was Young or Harrison.
There is not one creative player in the entire squad this fit at the moment.... maybe Danjuma may rectify that a little if he gets fit.

There is zero pace in the team at present , something every manager loves, maybe Dobbin can provide some when he gets fit.

I think any manager would find that a challenge.

You don’t have go through the squad mate i
Watch them like you, the narrative this group can’t play better football is utter nonsense. And it’s nothing to do with the players he inherited it’s about Klopp improving the players rodgers had.

Did wenger improve Rioch’s Arsenal players ??

Dyche went for Harrison and played him every game up until about 2 weeks ago. Him and McNeil have been garbage but play every week, he could have played dobbin and danjuma more, but McNeil and Harrison obviously suit his defensive set up. Maybe push the full backs up the pitch, but no I will keep them back, because All im interested in is not losing a goal.

 

[smileychap]

I think there's just fans that don't want to engage properly the thought of how grim our situation is right now. They are coping as they can, which is fair enough.

They want the comfort blanket of your usual "we are crap, sack the manager" discussion as it's what they know and it would be nice to think that's all that is wrong here.

Well not in this latest version of Everton it's not. Its never been as bad as this.

I'd love to know where are all these happy clappers. Bar a couple posters on here the most positive stance you get on the manager is mainly he is going to keep us up, that's about as far as it goes. The manager is tolerated, rather than actively supported by most.

This.

As fans the no.1 thing we can do is make GP as it was in the run-in in the last two seasons. Tricky to put a number of points on that, only that it directly contributed to us being a Premier League team despite our ownership

 

[Saint Domingo]

Just a bit.

Dyche come in here;

With Arsenal x2, Liverpool A within the first 5 games.

Without a striker.

We all thought we were down. If we were told he's keep us up, then not spend a bean and reducing wages, then given a 10 point deduction for 4 months of the season the following season - we'd have all snapped your hands off.

He's improved us on our last 2 seasons - without spending, and reducing our wages;

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That last run was horrific, but bigger picture. Fans overwhelming said surviving relegation was the priority this season and he has achieved that with results won on the pitch.

Is he the right man to grow the club once we get on a sure footing? I've no idea. I think his pragmatism has meant he's never had the chance to play anything other than % football.

What I do know though is all that matters for the immediate is remaining in the league - otherwise we do a Sunderland, IMO.

Exactly

To add to this Gordon was basically sold as he arrived, I know it will go down under Lampard’s net spend figures but Dyche essentially lost his best attacking asset as he walked through the door and had no replacement in January for him.

I think it would be interesting to see what Dyche can do next season if he keeps us up and is allowed a bit more spending in the midfield and striker areas. Whilst the overall attacking play can clearly improve as a team we’ve had some ridiculous stuff from the forwards this season missing penalties, open goals, easy easy chances that is not really on Dyche. I’m not expecting the strikers to turn into top players but professional footballers at this level shouldn’t be missing empty nets from a yard out with the regularity that DCl Beto Doucoure and McNeil have done recently. We should have easily had a handful more points here and been home and hosed even with points deductions.

Another thing also add is that this season we’ve barely been discussing injuries. The ones we’ve incurred have felt normal and the core of the team has been able to be fielded most games. We’ve not had the situation of previous seasons when the entire spine is out for extended periods and keeps getting repccuring injuries and we’re all praying on Mina/Doucoure/DCL to come back or we’re absolutely screwed. The overall fitness and conditioning of the team is definitely better in my opinion.

 

[blueboy72]

Not many managers have kept sides that are relegation candidates in the league for so long, either.

Sometimes mate you're skint and you have to have beans on toast for tea.

He relegated Burnley twice

 

[Delargeinho]

I think this is an accurate summation of Dyche

He doesn't improve players , he doesn't coach attacking or fluid play .

I read others say that he would be more progressive or change his style of play with better players or money to spend but there is zero evidence of that , sorry it's just fanciful.

You know what you get with Dyche. It's dour , it's turgid but he will get you enough points to stay in the division.

Good description, he is a good stabilizator, but it leads to stagnation at a certain point, he might keep you there, but you won't progress. Perfect for someone like Sheffield, but not a club like Everton.

He's not the man I would give 6 windows to build up a team like Arteta or Klopp, on a Everton level of course.

 

[Delargeinho]

He relegated Burnley twice

Yeah, he got them 2x promoted, as well as relegated, but I wouldn't say this is an 8th wonder to get relegated with a team that has always been named as a last 3 and relegation battlers while having the same mangers for 10 years in 7 years of prem.

Appreciate they are not the club like Watford to have 200 managers in 3 years. They are doing the same thing with Kompany again.


What would happen to manager that sticks 10 years to Norwich, West Brom, Sunderland or Sheffield in a row? Or another yo-yo team. Chris Wilder is on 2 in 3 seasons.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He relegated Burnley twice

I said "Not many managers have kept sides that are relegation candidates in the league for so long, either."

The reality is - he took over Burnley from Eddie Howe when they were 14th in October in the Championship. He got promoted/finished 2nd that same season he joined - went straight back down as favourites to finish bottom No shock, surprise, or disgrace there.

He then pissed the championship as winners/got them straight back up, and had a below par and under resourced team - favourites/tipped for relegation every season - survive 5 years. He was then sacked with 8 games to go the season they did go down. They wouldn't have gone down either if they didn't lose their striker Chris Wood that January.

Sean Dyche has improved us/our results having not spent anything.

You might want Bielsa, Potter or whoever hipster choice - but guess what mate? They don't want Everton.

 

[Daytripper]

I said "Not many managers have kept sides that are relegation candidates in the league for so long, either."

The reality is - he took over Burnley from Eddie Howe when they were 14th in October in the Championship. He got promoted/finished 2nd that same season he joined - went straight back down as favourites to finish bottom No shock, surprise, or disgrace there.

He then pissed the championship/got them straight back up, and had a below par and under resourced team - favourites/tipped for relegation every season - survive 5 years. He was then sacked with 8 games to go the season they did go down. They wouldn't have gone down either if they didn't lose their striker Chris Wood that January.

Sean Dyche has improved us/our results having not spent anything.

You might want Bielsa, Potter or whoever hipster choice - but guess what mate? They don't want Everton.

None of us want Everton mate

 

[Goat]

Potter has turned down Ajax according to "reports" and has his eye on United or Dortmund.

 

[nsno-chris]

They wouldn't have gone down either if they didn't lose their striker Chris Wood that January.

They’d won 3 games after 25 games and scored 22 goals

Wood had scored 3 by the time he was sold

 

[nsno-chris]

Potter has turned down Ajax according to "reports" and has his eye on United or Dortmund.

He’d suit Holland more than any other league

 

[GrandOldTeam]

They’d won 3 games after 25 games and scored 22 goals

Wood had scored 3 by the time he was sold

Had this debate before. Here;

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He's a striker who can score goals in the Prem. He's at Nottingham Forest now, scored 3 league goals so far this season - as many as any of our lot. They're not easy to find, especially if you're Burnley with 2 weeks to go in January.

... the reality is, he hit double figures every season for Burnley and I think would have done that season too.

He was a massive player for them. Scored 49 league goals in 144 games for them. Small margins/he'd have made the difference.

I said this when Nottingham Forest signed him;

Clever signing that Wood.

... and again, started the season slow but he's on 12 league goals in 25 now.

Good player - especially for relegation fodder.

 

[blueboy72]

I said "Not many managers have kept sides that are relegation candidates in the league for so long, either."

The reality is - he took over Burnley from Eddie Howe when they were 14th in October in the Championship. He got promoted/finished 2nd that same season he joined - went straight back down as favourites to finish bottom No shock, surprise, or disgrace there.

He then pissed the championship as winners/got them straight back up, and had a below par and under resourced team - favourites/tipped for relegation every season - survive 5 years. He was then sacked with 8 games to go the season they did go down. They wouldn't have gone down either if they didn't lose their striker Chris Wood that January.

Sean Dyche has improved us/our results having not spent anything.

You might want Bielsa, Potter or whoever hipster choice - but guess what mate? They don't want Everton.

He’s improved on the last manager that’s all he’s done, which wasn’t difficult as Lampard apparently is one of our worst ever managers. He spent 40mil on 2 strikers and has a better squad than Lampard did. If you think getting 1.1 points per game out of this squad is some sort of miracle. Then fair enough, I don’t