2023/24 Sean Dyche

[cantlivewithem]

We are quite clearly as a club not where we want to be. This is purely due to the direction the club has been taken from the boardroom. They have made such as mess of things that repair the damage is a slow process over a period of seasons because the finance aren't there now to do it any faster.

You can see improvements to areas of the team each after each summer transfer window but it is such a painfully slow process. Last year it was centre midfield in Gana, Garner and Onana and this year it has been the wings in Danjuma and Harrison and up front in Beto and Chermiti. If the rumours are true around what money we had available to shell out this summer transfer window then we did remarkably well to get what we got in but it is a damning indictment on the board

Where Dyche is concerned, results aren't great. I have more confidence in his managerial ability than Lampards. I have more confidence in him as a fit for this club than I did with Benitez. As for Martinez, Koeman and Silva. they all had a good enough first season but each tailed off after that. None of them had anywhere near the financial restraints that we have had at the club over the last 3 seasons. Martinez was able to bring in Lukaku, Silva brought in Richarlison and Koeman bought everyone in football who wore a number 10 shirt. Because of the finances it would take a manager now about 3 seasons to bring in the level of investment into the playing squad that those three managers could do in one summer window.

Dyche is is the reverse of other recent managers we have had in that I think he will improve our position over time rather than tail off after a good first season. Whether he is the man to make us top 10 club again, I dont know. But I think he is the man to steer us out of this mess over the next couple of seasons until our finances are straight and then we look at change

 

[siddharth]

Because a lot of people on this forum live in a delusional world where the only barrier to our success is the hiring of the right young hipster manager who will somehow take a group of bottom half players and have them playing top teams off the park home and away on a consistent basis making light of the gaping disparity in resources in a way that no other manager in PL history has done on a consistent basis.

To add to this we’ll get a director of football who will just ignore Everton’s financial regulations position and stock the team with four top quality strikers who are proven scorers of double figures in the PL (just in case the first three get injured of course which should be expected and planned for by the manager and the DOF because it happens everywhere apparently). Naturally the other three top strikers are happy to join a bottom half team to sit on the bench behind the first choice. This principle applies for all positions naturally and we are expected to maintain this top level form even if a majority of our best players are injured.

We’re expected to dominate any PL team who is not in the top 6, even on their own patch, even if we have significant injuries, by virtue of the fact our name is Everton and everyone else is crap. When it comes to the top 6 we’re also expected to beat them away as well despite the significant difference in quality between the teams. If anyone beats us at home regardless of the circumstances it’s an absolute disgrace and a sackable offence.

We have to play attacking football with all moves coming through the fullbacks, but both fullbacks must also be rock solid defensively, the keeper should be great at distribution and shot stopping but if he’s called Pickford this doesn’t count and any other keeper would be preferable regardless of their ability. The strikers and attacking players should be absolutely top quality and linked with top clubs but obviously chose Everton turning down CL football and higher wages.

All our scouting should focus on leagues outside of the PL (apart from the SPL of course) but all arrivals should be risk free and guaranteed to perform in the PL. We have to buy youth players that will develop but we also don’t want them to develop in our first team because they might make mistakes. We don’t want cast offs from top clubs, even if they’re good players, but all signings should have a pedigree and have played at a top level without actually of course ever have played at a top level. We don’t want to scrabble around for cheap loans but simultaneously the manager should use the loan market. We also want to buy in players to replace the ones we sell before we sell them but equally if the DOF sells any players at the end of the window he has to buy replacements even if he already brought them in beforehand.

The manager has to play young players, but the good young players that he does play don’t count. Also if a young player has arrived for big money and is an ‘obvious’ talent that anyone could have bought then this does not count as investing in youth. The DOF shouldn’t leave any gaps in the squad for promising youth players like Dobbin and Branthwaite though in case they’re crap so should have bought the promising youth player from Leeds even though he was overpriced. Basically the manager should play youth players more but the ones we’ve bought don’t count, not any from Scotland, and no academy players.

We should operate more like Brighton who buy low and sell their best players, but without actually selling any of our best players of course because we don’t want to be a selling club. We should equally though sell players at the peak of their value like Brighton and Brentford do but Richarlison Gordon Digne Stones Lukaku Barkley Gueye don’t count.



Any manager and DOF who cannot deliver all of the above, immediately, needs to gtfo out of the club

This surely captures the ethos of the club right now, absolutely chaotic and paradoxical. But that is because nobody seems to know what it is that we are actually doing right now. Why oh why did we ever use 'Spinning Plates' as a metaphor for transfer dealings like a circus show *sobs*.

 

[nsno-chris]

Your aspiration is to be a revolving door stepping stone shop window for the top clubs that picks up pats on the head from Sky and BT. You’ve made that quite clear in the past on here mocking me when I said I wanted to see Everton challenge for the top again rather than follow Brighton’s model. ‘Standards’ though.

No, again you’re wrong. I said that the club should follows Brighton’s model for recruitment because we are now in a position whereby we are deferring payments till next year for signings.

The standards of any club are set at the top of the organisation with a clear and defined plan.

Big difference.

But well done on writing 6 paragraphs of nonsense

 

[Cameron Manning]

If he’s still our manager at the next international break I will be shocked.

Prepare to be shocked!

 

[Cameron Manning]

No, again you’re wrong. I said that the club should follows Brighton’s model for recruitment because we are now in a position whereby we are deferring payments till next year for signings.

The standards of any club are set at the top of the organisation with a clear and defined plan.

Big difference.

But well done on writing 6 paragraphs of nonsense

When was the last time Everton FC standards were set out from the top of the organisation with a clear and defined plan?

 

[MikeH72]

Your aspiration is to be a revolving door stepping stone shop window for the top clubs that picks up pats on the head from Sky and BT. You’ve made that quite clear in the past on here mocking me when I said I wanted to see Everton challenge for the top again rather than follow Brighton’s model. ‘Standards’ though.

How do you propose we “challenge for the top” though? Like seriously, without just vaguely alluding to it? Because one of these teams is significantly closer than the other to challenging for the top currently.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Because a lot of people on this forum live in a delusional world where the only barrier to our success is the hiring of the right young hipster manager who will somehow take a group of bottom half players and have them playing top teams off the park home and away on a consistent basis making light of the gaping disparity in resources in a way that no other manager in PL history has done on a consistent basis.

To add to this we’ll get a director of football who will just ignore Everton’s financial regulations position and stock the team with four top quality strikers who are proven scorers of double figures in the PL (just in case the first three get injured of course which should be expected and planned for by the manager and the DOF because it happens everywhere apparently). Naturally the other three top strikers are happy to join a bottom half team to sit on the bench behind the first choice. This principle applies for all positions naturally and we are expected to maintain this top level form even if a majority of our best players are injured.

We’re expected to dominate any PL team who is not in the top 6, even on their own patch, even if we have significant injuries, by virtue of the fact our name is Everton and everyone else is crap. When it comes to the top 6 we’re also expected to beat them away as well despite the significant difference in quality between the teams. If anyone beats us at home regardless of the circumstances it’s an absolute disgrace and a sackable offence.

We have to play attacking football with all moves coming through the fullbacks, but both fullbacks must also be rock solid defensively, the keeper should be great at distribution and shot stopping but if he’s called Pickford this doesn’t count and any other keeper would be preferable regardless of their ability. The strikers and attacking players should be absolutely top quality and linked with top clubs but obviously chose Everton turning down CL football and higher wages.

All our scouting should focus on leagues outside of the PL (apart from the SPL of course) but all arrivals should be risk free and guaranteed to perform in the PL. We have to buy youth players that will develop but we also don’t want them to develop in our first team because they might make mistakes. We don’t want cast offs from top clubs, even if they’re good players, but all signings should have a pedigree and have played at a top level without actually of course ever have played at a top level. We don’t want to scrabble around for cheap loans but simultaneously the manager should use the loan market. We also want to buy in players to replace the ones we sell before we sell them but equally if the DOF sells any players at the end of the window he has to buy replacements even if he already brought them in beforehand.

The manager has to play young players, but the good young players that he does play don’t count. Also if a young player has arrived for big money and is an ‘obvious’ talent that anyone could have bought then this does not count as investing in youth. The DOF shouldn’t leave any gaps in the squad for promising youth players like Dobbin and Branthwaite though in case they’re crap so should have bought the promising youth player from Leeds even though he was overpriced. Basically the manager should play youth players more but the ones we’ve bought don’t count, not any from Scotland, and no academy players.

We should operate more like Brighton who buy low and sell their best players, but without actually selling any of our best players of course because we don’t want to be a selling club. We should equally though sell players at the peak of their value like Brighton and Brentford do but Richarlison Gordon Digne Stones Lukaku Barkley Gueye don’t count.



Any manager and DOF who cannot deliver all of the above, immediately, needs to gtfo out of the club

This is unbelievably accurate for a lot of the people on these forums .
A sensible head knows that all things considered Dyche is on balance the best guy for the job currently.

I had someone saying to me the other day on here that Steve Cooper at Forest was a lot better than Dyche. But I think we all know that same person would have chucked Cooper in the bin if he had lost just one more game last season and got relegated. I suppose that person forgot about how Dyche got Burnley into Europe but that achievement is just dismissed because it was a few years ago now and Dyche must be getting worse with age .

It's the fickleness that does it for me. This season was always going to be difficult and it's been a pretty poor start but we are like a point from safety and the squad should look better after the international break. Let dyche do his thing. He deserves it because he kept us up last season when I think the majority of managers would have got us relegated after the mess Lampard left us in.

 

[Joewood1889]

I understand the issues with the board and he’s been dealt a poor hand etc. However that doesn’t excuse the poor man management of Dyche and his useless tactics that don’t work. If they did work I wouldn’t have an issue but the stubbornness and what comes across as arrogance to not change it is baffling. Conceding more goals a game than what we did under Lampard so this narrative of ‘the goals will come’ is irrelevant to me until we tighten up at the back

 

[blueblue]

We are quite clearly as a club not where we want to be. This is purely due to the direction the club has been taken from the boardroom. They have made such as mess of things that repair the damage is a slow process over a period of seasons because the finance aren't there now to do it any faster.

You can see improvements to areas of the team each after each summer transfer window but it is such a painfully slow process. Last year it was centre midfield in Gana, Garner and Onana and this year it has been the wings in Danjuma and Harrison and up front in Beto and Chermiti. If the rumours are true around what money we had available to shell out this summer transfer window then we did remarkably well to get what we got in but it is a damning indictment on the board

Where Dyche is concerned, results aren't great. I have more confidence in his managerial ability than Lampards. I have more confidence in him as a fit for this club than I did with Benitez. As for Martinez, Koeman and Silva. they all had a good enough first season but each tailed off after that. None of them had anywhere near the financial restraints that we have had at the club over the last 3 seasons. Martinez was able to bring in Lukaku, Silva brought in Richarlison and Koeman bought everyone in football who wore a number 10 shirt. Because of the finances it would take a manager now about 3 seasons to bring in the level of investment into the playing squad that those three managers could do in one summer window.

Dyche is is the reverse of other recent managers we have had in that I think he will improve our position over time rather than tail off after a good first season. Whether he is the man to make us top 10 club again, I dont know. But I think he is the man to steer us out of this mess over the next couple of seasons until our finances are straight and then we look at change

Very good summary of our position and a realistic one.

There has been an incredible mess made at this club and of this club.

Dyche and Thelwell are not the latest link in the chain of calamities but have to be the last , we simply cannot continue hiring and firing managers and staff... that is the very policy that has landed us in the mess we are in where it has taken years to largely slim down a hugely expensive and expensive.

I think in general Thelwell has done well, moving a lot of players on while managing to bring in some good young players all on no budget at all rather than a shoestring budget.
Anybody believing that Graham Potter or any other manager will come in and magically transform this group of players is fooling themselves, ironically Brighton have got even better after Potter left them.

Dyche is used to working in the situation we are in at present and has a good record of keeping clubs in the division against the odds.

He may not be the manager for a successful Everton we we are so far off that at present it isn't even worth considering.

The recruitment of Garner, Onana,McNeill, Beto and Chermite are encouraging signs and any sensible supporter will realise that we also needed to bring in cheaper experienced players because we cannot afford to sign the players we would like to sign.

The positives are that finally the squad is not bloated with expensive players who never play( not sure about Dele or Gomes yet) and that we are still managing to recruit some young talent for the future.

 

[johnjoeefc]

I understand the issues with the board and he’s been dealt a poor hand etc. However that doesn’t excuse the poor man management of Dyche and his useless tactics that don’t work. If they did work I wouldn’t have an issue but the stubbornness and what comes across as arrogance to not change it is baffling. Conceding more goals a game than what we did under Lampard so this narrative of ‘the goals will come’ is irrelevant to me until we tighten up at the back

If danjuma had taken advantage of a 4 v 2 at 1 nil up against Sheffield utd we go 2 nil up and sit back and possibly nick a few more. The issue is when you become wasteful it has a negative impact on the team and you get punished in the premier league. Not to mention I'm sure that when he gets some players back he will shift garner back to full back and that should help the defense improve as Pattersons defending has been poor this season.

 

[nsno-chris]

When was the last time Everton FC standards were set out from the top of the organisation with a clear and defined plan?

35 years ago; but some of us still remember.

Bill Kenwright has managed to convince evertonians that staying in this league is acceptable, and many buy it

 

[Neiler]

Because a lot of people on this forum live in a delusional world where the only barrier to our success is the hiring of the right young hipster manager who will somehow take a group of bottom half players and have them playing top teams off the park home and away on a consistent basis making light of the gaping disparity in resources in a way that no other manager in PL history has done on a consistent basis.

To add to this we’ll get a director of football who will just ignore Everton’s financial regulations position and stock the team with four top quality strikers who are proven scorers of double figures in the PL (just in case the first three get injured of course which should be expected and planned for by the manager and the DOF because it happens everywhere apparently). Naturally the other three top strikers are happy to join a bottom half team to sit on the bench behind the first choice. This principle applies for all positions naturally and we are expected to maintain this top level form even if a majority of our best players are injured.

We’re expected to dominate any PL team who is not in the top 6, even on their own patch, even if we have significant injuries, by virtue of the fact our name is Everton and everyone else is crap. When it comes to the top 6 we’re also expected to beat them away as well despite the significant difference in quality between the teams. If anyone beats us at home regardless of the circumstances it’s an absolute disgrace and a sackable offence.

We have to play attacking football with all moves coming through the fullbacks, but both fullbacks must also be rock solid defensively, the keeper should be great at distribution and shot stopping but if he’s called Pickford this doesn’t count and any other keeper would be preferable regardless of their ability. The strikers and attacking players should be absolutely top quality and linked with top clubs but obviously chose Everton turning down CL football and higher wages.

All our scouting should focus on leagues outside of the PL (apart from the SPL of course) but all arrivals should be risk free and guaranteed to perform in the PL. We have to buy youth players that will develop but we also don’t want them to develop in our first team because they might make mistakes. We don’t want cast offs from top clubs, even if they’re good players, but all signings should have a pedigree and have played at a top level without actually of course ever have played at a top level. We don’t want to scrabble around for cheap loans but simultaneously the manager should use the loan market. We also want to buy in players to replace the ones we sell before we sell them but equally if the DOF sells any players at the end of the window he has to buy replacements even if he already brought them in beforehand.

The manager has to play young players, but the good young players that he does play don’t count. Also if a young player has arrived for big money and is an ‘obvious’ talent that anyone could have bought then this does not count as investing in youth. The DOF shouldn’t leave any gaps in the squad for promising youth players like Dobbin and Branthwaite though in case they’re crap so should have bought the promising youth player from Leeds even though he was overpriced. Basically the manager should play youth players more but the ones we’ve bought don’t count, not any from Scotland, and no academy players.

We should operate more like Brighton who buy low and sell their best players, but without actually selling any of our best players of course because we don’t want to be a selling club. We should equally though sell players at the peak of their value like Brighton and Brentford do but Richarlison Gordon Digne Stones Lukaku Barkley Gueye don’t count.



Any manager and DOF who cannot deliver all of the above, immediately, needs to gtfo out of the club

Ha ha that's quite brilliant mate! lol

Congrats you just won GOT today. lol

 

[nsno-chris]

If danjuma had taken advantage of a 4 v 2 at 1 nil up against Sheffield utd we go 2 nil up and sit back and possibly nick a few more. The issue is when you become wasteful it has a negative impact on the team and you get punished in the premier league. Not to mention I'm sure that when he gets some players back he will shift garner back to full back and that should help the defense improve as Pattersons defending has been poor this season.

And if Jordan Pickford hadn’t pulled off a miracle save we’d be on 0 points.

And just an FYI on the Paterson thing; he may not be the greatest player at this club but are you seriously saying that you cannot see the issue with the tactics.

Not only the amount of times he’s been exposed because of a lack of cover on the right wing, but also the obsession with “swarm the box” defending; hence why our back line is very very narrow and gives the opposition and unbelievable amount of space down the flanks. That won’t change regardless of who the fullback is if that tactic is continued employed.

Also, what about the gaping holes in between our back line and midfield. Mitrovic, Archer and Diaby have all exploited this that has led to goals against us.

That’s a tactical issue, plain and simple

 

[Paul Rideout]

I love international breaks lol

 

[Joewood1889]

And if Jordan Pickford hadn’t pulled off a miracle save we’d be on 0 points.

And just an FYI on the Paterson thing; he may not be the greatest player at this club but are you seriously saying that you cannot see the issue with the tactics.

Not only the amount of times he’s been exposed because of a lack of cover on the right wing, but also the obsession with “swarm the box” defending; hence why our back line is very very narrow and gives the opposition and unbelievable amount of space down the flanks. That won’t change regardless of who the fullback is if that tactic is continued employed.

Also, what about the gaping holes in between our back line and midfield. Mitrovic, Archer and Diaby have all exploited this that has led to goals against us.

That’s a tactical issue, plain and simple

Spot on about the full backs , it’s not natural for them to be that narrow and is clearly having a negative impact on the team. If he doesn’t change it against Arsenal then he needs sacking can’t allow saka and martinelli to have an absolute field day