2023/24 Sean Dyche

[GrandOldTeam]

We finished last season with our lowest ever Prem points total.

On the back of that, you can't afford to lose to Fulham, Wolves and Luton at home.

4 home defeats on the spin has that ever happened in our Premier League history?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

he legged wolves due to money not available



so rule him out to

It's why I said to sound him out.

He wants a Prem job.

Not sure it's a simple as them being skint - it was Wolves lied to him/sold players he didnt want to sell etc. They're also for sale, on the sly but didn't tell him.

 

[stamullenblue]

Tbf mate I read that as more him criticising the mentality of the players rather than blaming the fans.

His TV interview had only good to say about goodison - when did he blame the fans ?

 

[Wat Tyler]

“Dyche will make us hard to beat.”

Zero clean sheets, utterly unable to even register a point at home. Virtually fully fit squad so he has no excuses. Absolutely pitiful.

 

[mistuhp]

It's weird to keep reading "we can't afford to sack him" in various threads.

Without even getting into the fact that him relegating us would cost significantly more than a payout would be, unless I have a complete misunderstanding of employment law, you could effectively just put him on gardening leave and pay him out the exact same as if you kept him in the position. No need for a big chunk of cash at once, and when a League 1 team wants him and he's bored of sitting around at home and randomly popping up on Keys & Gray or Talksport, you could potentially negotiate down whatever's left over of what you owe him.

Affording a decent new manager is a totally different issue.

 

[Lob]

“Dyche will make us hard to beat.”

Zero clean sheets, utterly unable to even register a point at home. Virtually fully fit squad so he has no excuses. Absolutely pitiful.

78th minute yesterday, 2 - 1 down at home, still playing negatively and atrocious, don't even look like scoring and he brings on Patterson for Young. Not only were there still plenty of attackers on the bench but it was a change that shouldn't have been needed because Patterson should have started and the pensioner on the bench and how could it possibly help us score a goal with 12 minutes to go and the damage already all done and heads all down from having such a negative and baffling set up and selection at home.

The man literally has not got a clue what he is doing and needs to be sacked immediately. He doesn't deserve to be in charge.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

Just another manager who plays “solid, safe” options in attacking positions instead of actual tacking players and then acts like it’s a mystery/takes no responsibility when those players don’t have the quality in the final third.

 

[pedro789]

He'll probably play Garner/Onana in middle v Bournemouth.

But the damage has been done.

He had chance to keep momentum going yday, coming off back of best performance in long time + bottled it.

That decision to play Garner on right to bring back Gana is as bad as I can remember.

Puts even more pressure on players next week, when we could be going into intl break looking up for once.

As some on here said, he sets us up like we're playing Man City every week.

 

[Goat]

Hes an expert in failure.

 

[Bob Elstone]

He needs to go

 

[MikeH72]

Is he meant to be good at impressions or something?

 

[Neiler]

He's going through my old posts in the Lampard thread as we speak and "middle fingering" them lol

I used to rise to his bait but then upon reflection started to genuinely feel sorry for the boy. Imagine being so unhappy/unfulfilled in your life that you spend your weekends crying about a game of football / raging over other peoples opinions on the internet

Anyway whats your thoughts on yesterday mate ? For me Dyche has to start looking at 3 at the back - its clear to me that he's actually trying to set us up to "have a go" but we simply haven't the defence to play that way.

Similiar issue Ancelotti faced in which he then "shut up shop" and played for the 1-0.

I think he's let the dinosaur tag lift heavy around his neck since managing us and wants to try appease the fans/critics by showing he's not a one trick pony but as a result of that we're shipping gols.

3 At the back, Onana + Garner in the middle and a front 3 of McNeil, DCL and Harrison and I think we'll be alright. If he sticks to the current formation then I fear the players will let him down and his job becomes in trouble.

Think your bang on the money here mate.

One of the issues any manager has here is he has to act like he’s managing a big club, despite having severe limits this leads to a lack of overall identity and undermines results particularly at home and has done under many managers now.

Take the last few games, people were calling him to conservative and not up to manageung a big club by playing conservatively against Arsenal, because we’re a big club. We go out and attack Luton at home because we’re a big club and leave gaps and he’s tactically naive. People don’t know what they want. But worse the club struggles with an identity in games. We often don’t know whether to be on the front foot or not or whether we are big club or a club with limits bobbing around relegation, this has been a trend for years under many managers and varies from fixture to fixture in how we set up and approach games. This thread is also indicative of the spectrum.

If I was critiquing Dyche, I’d agree with you, I think he’s tried to appease to much, whether thats fans, media, proving he can manage at a higher level or showing alternate styles of play. But look let’s not knee jerk that’s our third game in a week and two were wins.

It’s about balance now, it’s about identity heading into the long term - I’d personally think he should trust himself more.

What we know doesn’t work, is sacking a manager every six months, staying up by a hairsbreth, spending 10s of millions on that managers players, then sack them when they don’t win every game at the start of the season. Its not about whether Dyche should stay or go really - the cycle needs to be broken, because it incrementally get worse every time.

Dyche out calls will always be right, it’s the easy shout as invariably every PL manager will be sacked. However the systemic cyclical damage has a massively destructive trend. Self abuse really.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Watching Forest v Brentford now, Cooper is showing Dyche up really.

Newly promoted side, whole new set of players, best player sold and still will stay up comfortably. Home form Exceptional!

 

[Zatara]

Yes. We had Branthwaite, Tarkowski, Onana, Doucoure, Calvert-Lewin on the pitch when we conceded those goals yesterday. I’ve seen a stat somewhere that we’re the tallest team in the league. We should concede about 2 goals from set pieces in the whole season, let alone in one half. That’s on Dyche. The one thing he is supposed to be good at is organising defences, but he’s spectacularly failing to do that as well.

Meant to be a defensive tactician and yet I dont think ive ever seen us look this bad at defending set pieces + his use of full backs coming inside, playing Gana as a DM...

...its a total shambles and not one person on this forum would be doing the same if in his position. Hes a mess.

78th minute yesterday, 2 - 1 down at home, still playing negatively and atrocious, don't even look like scoring and he brings on Patterson for Young. Not only were there still plenty of attackers on the bench but it was a change that shouldn't have been needed because Patterson should have started and the pensioner on the bench and how could it possibly help us score a goal with 12 minutes to go and the damage already all done and heads all down from having such a negative and baffling set up and selection at home.

The man literally has not got a clue what he is doing and needs to be sacked immediately. He doesn't deserve to be in charge.

Young and Gana at least should not have started. Patterson and Harrison from the start, or even Danjuma if Harrison wasnt fully fit.

Its happened with Keane, now Young, Gana and Doucoure...its like he uses experienced (old) players over superior ones with more upside.

Its nonsensical and even after Villa he was given a blueprint and ignored it.

Ths man is an idiot.

He'll probably play Garner/Onana in middle v Bournemouth.

But the damage has been done.

He had chance to keep momentum going yday, coming off back of best performance in long time + bottled it.

That decision to play Garner on right to bring back Gana is as bad as I can remember.

Puts even more pressure on players next week, when we could be going into intl break looking up for once.

As some on here said, he sets us up like we're playing Man City every week.

With all the chances weve had an missed we should be in the top 9 now.

That sounds supportive of Dyche but it isnt, i think weve had some shocking misses but we should have taken far more points if not for his lack of tactical nous, non-ability to pick his best team and inability to recognise when to make changes.

I think with this team and Ancelotti we'd be sitting in 8th or 9th. But we dont need that...we need someone who can have us in 12th/14th and install a style of play while developing our players.

I am not sure what benefit Dyche brings. I cant think of any single positive.

 

[Ladda]

Who would come here that's better than Dyche?