2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Neiler]

It depends on how you want to look at it mate.

3 wins in the last 4 games, is great, long may it continue.
7 points from 8 games this season is relegation form, we are on course for 35/36 point season with our easiest games been and gone.
Zero points from Fulham Wolves and Luton at home is beyond criminal.

I think you have to look at context mate, we had no centre forward and a miny injury crisis for Fulham and Wolves, Villa, easing up at Sheff Utd. Full deck i think we are getting points from those games. In all of those games bar Villa we were the better the team, even first half VS Luton we should have been out of sight. Villa and Arsenal was dire, but we're not that good of a side, they have better players head to head.

7 from 8 isnt that bad, we're hardly cut adrift at the bottom are we and given the context i describe above, particularly as the weekend is the first time weve played with a full deck as i say, given that and the actual squad options and depth in the squad now you can see nothing but an increase in averages.

There is defo areas we need to improve, but thats all development - some of these players haven't played together before - we will get better and better.

 

[ClausThomsen]

There are areas to improve for sure, the areas id look at are actually the stereotypical areas mate - people assume with Dyche. Not conceding and overall protection. We need to turn losses into draws in my opinion. Definitely areas to work on.

To be honest under Dyche weve played more expansively and with threat under nay manger since Silva, i really enjoyed watching us play, at Brentford, First half Vs Luton and at the weekend.

I dont think Dyche ball is a thing to be honest - what is it and what it supposed to mean?

It means when something is a little route one and doesn't work you blame Dyche but when a passage of play is rather easy on the eye and evidence of a well worked move you claim the players are taking it on themselves to ignore the manager.

 

[Simon Buttle]

There are areas to improve for sure, the areas id look at are actually the stereotypical areas mate - people assume with Dyche. Not conceding and overall protection. We need to turn losses into draws in my opinion. Definitely areas to work on.

To be honest under Dyche we've played more expansively and with threat then under any other manger since Silva, i really enjoyed watching us play, at Brentford, First half Vs Luton and at the weekend.

I dont think Dyche ball is a thing to be honest - what is it and what it supposed to mean?

It's still thinking you can play some sort of 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 in the modern game. The majority of managers/coaches stopped playing this way years ago and there is a good reason for it. Playing with a target man type up top and swinging crosses in is just a pointless tactic as most CB are the same size as any striker so they become aimless wasted balls. The less said about the defensive side of the setup the better. If you want a simplistic version it's just that, it's simple football in age when you need to have just a little bit more than the basics about you imo. We are very lucky that there are 3 worse teams in the league.

 

[JLW]

I think you have to look at context mate, we had no centre forward and a miny injury crisis for Fulham and Wolves, Villa, easing up at Sheff Utd. Full deck i think we are getting points from those games. In all of those games bar Villa we were the better the team, even first half VS Luton we should have been out of sight. Villa and Arsenal was dire, but we're not that good of a side, they have better players head to head.

7 from 8 isnt that bad, we're hardly cut adrift at the bottom are we and given the context i describe above, particularly as the weekend is the first time weve played with a full deck as i say, given that and the actual squad options and depth in the squad now you can see nothing but an increase in averages.

There is defo areas we need to improve, but thats all development - some of these players haven't played together before - we will get better and better.

I think it is considering the teams weve played, if we get 7 from the next 8 games against far tougher teams, that puts us on 14 points where we will be just 3 games short from the half way point.

 

[Egil Olsen]

There are areas to improve for sure, the areas id look at are actually the stereotypical areas mate - people assume with Dyche. Not conceding and overall protection. We need to turn losses into draws in my opinion. Definitely areas to work on.

To be honest under Dyche weve played more expansively and with threat under nay manger since Silva, i really enjoyed watching us play, at Brentford, First half Vs Luton and at the weekend.

I dont think Dyche ball is a thing to be honest - what is it and what it supposed to mean?

Agreed. Overall, I think we have played entertaining football, and have been unlucky in terms of points.

What is Dycheball? The players have obvious functions, but have greater positional freedom than in positional play. We are more ball-oriented when attacking, which often leads to numerical superiority, and which we try to exploit through vertical quick combinations.

We are also not afraid to exploit the players' physical characteristics by playing directly or by hitting crosses into the box. Offensively, we are one of the most exciting teams in the PL, and one of the few teams that does not copy the Guardiola (Cruyff) school, but instead a philosophy that has roots from the Danubian school and from the British school; Charles Reep, C Hughes, Graham Taylor, Egil Olsen, Roy Hodgson, but also South American vibes to contrast the whole thing through the fact that time is emphasized much more than space in attack, and the players quite free positions.

Dyche is something as unusual as a manager who dares to go his own way to get inspiration, and not the usual way through Cruyff, Guardiola, etc. That makes him an authentic and innovative manager - and not a cheap copy like, among other things Arteta.

 

[Neiler]

It's still thinking you can play some sort of 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 in the modern game. The majority of managers/coaches stopped playing this way years ago and there is a good reason for it. Playing with a target man type up top and swinging crosses in is just a pointless tactic as most CB are the same size as any striker so they become aimless wasted balls. The less said about the defensive side of the setup the better. If you want a simplistic version it's just that, it's simple football in age when you need to have just a little bit more than the basics about you imo. We are very lucky that there are 3 worse teams in the league.

Not sure I’d be wholly on board with that analysis mate, it’s not a static 4-4-2 not a 4-4-1, at times you could argue it’s a 4-2-4 or a 4-3-3, I think you are being very unfair and then we Villa when we went three at the back. We changed shape a couple of times even in the game at the weekend. Also we’ve scored goals from central positions, either working it through the lines or withe the high press so it’s not all one dimensional and I think you are neing unfair.

I’d agree on the need to be tighter. To be honest I think he’s cowed by the challenge of managing a big club and over compensated by trying to attack to much, leaving the back line to exposed - but then scoring has been a massive problem, so he’s had to find solutions. I’d actually like him to be less attacking.

Goals have come, we’ve scored 7 in our last three league games more if you include Villa.

We need to balance things better defensively as our next developmental phase. We need to be leaving more games with points even if they are draws.

 

[witchdoc187]

I think we've played better football under dyche than a lot of our other recent managers. We're creating bags of chances and we break well away from home. I like a lot of what he's doing and it takes time especially considering how bad our finances are. Happy to be patient and see where we are at the end of the season

 

[Neiler]

I think it is considering the teams weve played, if we get 7 from the next 8 games against far tougher teams, that puts us on 14 points where we will be just 3 games short from the half way point.

It’s never linear though mate, it’s the PL, you will be beat by the teams you expect to win against and win or draw against teams you expect to get batterd by. We see it every season, for every club.

In some ways our hardest games are at home against teams we are expected to beat. As they just dig in and we haven’t been good enough to break them down, it’s happened under every manager since Moyes. We’re shockingly bad at beating relegation fodder at home have been for years.

In many ways we’re better against better teams as we have more space and things are more open.

 

[Gilbert..]

Agreed. Overall, I think we have played entertaining football, and have been unlucky in terms of points.

What is Dycheball? The players have obvious functions, but have greater positional freedom than in positional play. We are more ball-oriented when attacking, which often leads to numerical superiority, and which we try to exploit through vertical quick combinations.

We are also not afraid to exploit the players' physical characteristics by playing directly or by hitting crosses into the box. Offensively, we are one of the most exciting teams in the PL, and one of the few teams that does not copy the Guardiola (Cruyff) school, but instead a philosophy that has roots from the Danubian school and from the British school; Charles Reep, C Hughes, Graham Taylor, Egil Olsen, Roy Hodgson, but also South American vibes to contrast the whole thing through the fact that time is emphasized much more than space in attack, and the players quite free positions.

Dyche is something as unusual as a manager who dares to go his own way to get inspiration, and not the usual way through Cruyff, Guardiola, etc. That makes him an authentic and innovative manager - and not a cheap copy like, among other things Arteta.

Wow. Got to admire this post. Top of the table and unbeaten arteta is a boring clone and Everton are one of the most exciting teams in the league.

I had to read that twice just in case i misread it.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Not sure I’d be wholly on board with that analysis mate, it’s not a static 4-4-2 not a 4-4-1, at times you could argue it’s a 4-2-4 or a 4-3-3, I think you are being very unfair and then we Villa when we went three at the back. We changed shape a couple of times even in the game at the weekend. Also we’ve scored goals from central positions, either working it through the lines or withe the high press so it’s not all one dimensional and I think you are neing unfair.

I’d agree on the need to be tighter. To be honest I think he’s cowed by the challenge of managing a big club and over compensated by trying to attack to much, leaving the back line to exposed - but then scoring has been a massive problem, so he’s had to find solutions. I’d actually like him to be less attacking.

Goals have come, we’ve scored 7 in our last three league games more if you include Villa.

We need to balance things better defensively as our next developmental phase. We need to be leaving more games with points even if they are draws.

It's not unfair at all mate, I'm saying what I see and it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it as you are yours. Like I said in my previous post, it will work against odd teams here and there but over a 38 game season I'm not so sure. We had the prefect chance to be up there this season with the fixture list (regardless of squad) and we are sat in 16th, it's fine if you are happy with things but don't be surprised if others are not. The acid test is now with some of the fixtures coming up, can we make a stand against some of the bigger teams, I do hope we can tbh.

 

[ClausThomsen]

It's still thinking you can play some sort of 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 in the modern game. The majority of managers/coaches stopped playing this way years ago and there is a good reason for it. Playing with a target man type up top and swinging crosses in is just a pointless tactic as most CB are the same size as any striker so they become aimless wasted balls. The less said about the defensive side of the setup the better. If you want a simplistic version it's just that, it's simple football in age when you need to have just a little bit more than the basics about you imo. We are very lucky that there are 3 worse teams in the league.

The first goal against Bournemouth immediately dispels that. We're defending in a 4312 which very quickly becomes a 433 to press and capitalise on a piece of poor play.

I'm also not convinced that swinging crosses into a target man is our primary style of play. You don't have Jack Harrison on the right if your style of play is basic 442/4411 hit the wings and cross to a target man.

 

[JLW]

It’s never linear though mate, it’s the PL, you will be beat by the teams you expect to win against and win or draw against teams you expect to get batterd by. We see it every season, for every club.

In some ways our hardest games are at home against teams we are expected to beat. As they just dig in and we haven’t been good enough to break them down, it’s happened under every manager since Moyes. We’re shockingly bad at beating relegation fodder at home have been for years.

In many ways we’re better against better teams as we have more space and things are more open.

The takeover means he wont be going anywhere just yet, as we have the current owner only interested in selling and the potential new owners not in a position to make a decision on Dyche. The win at the weekend will buy him time for sure.

I agree that we will get points against teams we shouldn't and get nothing against teams we should, Everton in a nutshell.

We will probably beat Liverpool away then get beat by West Ham away and Burnley at home.
If you offered one win in the next 3 it would be Burnley.

 

[chicoazul]

#ThankYouGaffer

He’s aiming that you, croakers

 

[Baines' left foot]

Get him gone lol lol lol

On to the next one, yeah? lol

 

[blulouie]

#ThankYouGaffer

He’s aiming that you, croakers

Sack him