2023/24 Sean Dyche

[SJB]

The best part of realising someone is boss is when we have horrific song suggestions for them, so here’s another

Red haired Dyche
Stayed in the league
Won’t see us lose again
It’s filling up, our blue hearts

(Real lyrics:
Red, red wine, stay close to me
Don't let me be alone
It's tearing apart my blue heart)

Oh Sean Dyche,
You are the love of my life,
Oh Sean Dyche,
I'd let you grunt at my Wife,
Oh Sean Dyche,
I want ginger hair too.

Der der der, eff the Tories.

 

[blulouie]

SAY IT.

SACK.

 

[mikel_88]

Hope that he cqn be backed in the jan transfer window, need maybe two more to help bring more cover in

 

[toffeeblue9]

Although I didn't want another managerial change and saw enough in the early games, I can completely understand people wanting him out after the first few games so wouldn't pull anyone up over it.

What really does my head in is the doubling down on that opinion now from some after this massive uptick in form / results / performances.

I tend to take the opposite view. The people who wanted him gone were genuinely wetting the bed, being consumed by results being the only thing that matters and unable to see the evidence in front of them that we were simply being unlucky. These are the sort of people who've caused us to chop and change so much and, worse than that, a lot of them on here at least were properly scornful about anyone wanting to stick with him.

Anyone who's doubling down now is either a genuine loon or is seeing something that none of the rest of us can (which might mean they're actual geniuses).

 

[Drico]

What we saw on Saturday - and what Burnley fans really felt - was the difference between a pragmatic football manager doing what it takes for his employer - Dyche - and somebody who is more interested in developing a "brand" that will make him personally attractive to other clubs in the future, in Kompany.

This ideological insistence on poor players playing "the right way" - as in tippy-tappy across your own six-yard box - will guarantee the relegation of Burnley. However, it will also help Kompany develop a personal brand as somebody who "plays the right way" - unlike, say, the far superior manager Dyche who does what it takes to get the best out of what he has.

Method in Kompany's madness - but it's a self-serving one that will give Burnley little benefit this season. The Premier League is utterly superficial. It's why somebody who does the hard yards over a decade - Dyche, Moyes - will always be unfashionable when compared to fly-by-nights like Kompany and Frank Lampard (another man who got jobs his managerial CV simply did not warrant, but he was "on brand" for idiots like Moshiri who wanted somebody who "felt right" in massaging his self-image).

 

[UndercoverClaret]

What we saw on Saturday - and what Burnley fans really felt - was the difference between a pragmatic football manager doing what it takes for his employer - Dyche - and somebody who is more interested in developing a "brand" that will make him personally attractive to other clubs in the future, in Kompany.

This ideological insistence on poor players playing "the right way" - as in tippy-tappy across your own six-yard box - will guarantee the relegation of Burnley. However, it will also help Kompany develop a personal brand as somebody who "plays the right way" - unlike, say, the far superior manager Dyche who does what it takes to get the best out of what he has.

Method in Kompany's madness - but it's a self-serving one that will give Burnley little benefit this season. The Premier League is utterly superficial. It's why somebody who does the hard yards over a decade - Dyche, Moyes - will always be unfashionable when compared to fly-by-nights like Kompany and Frank Lampard (another man who got jobs his managerial CV simply did not warrant, but he was "on brand" for idiots like Moshiri who wanted somebody who "felt right" in massaging his self-image).

Yup. Nail on the head

Bored of the PR nonsense and all the noise around the game these days tbh.

VK and our Board are properly destroying the heart and soul of the club - turning into a proper 'gentrified', soul less, Watford type.
Depressing

 

[Drico]

Yup. Nail on the head

Bored of the PR nonsense and all the noise around the game these days tbh.

VK and our Board are properly destroying the heart and soul of the club - turning into a proper 'gentrified', soul less, Watford type.
Depressing

I just don't like seeing fans duped by famous ex-players transitioning into management who have no intention of sticking around. Ambition is fine and laudable. But only if you do what's best for the club you are at while you build your career. Burnley is being used, in my opinion, to further the career of Vincent Kompany. That's on the Burley board, of course, but Kompany has no interest in "doing a Dyche" and hanging around for a decade to transform the club. He is using them to build his brand - that of somebody who "plays the right way." But given the players Burnley have, that's self-evidently not he right the way to survive in the Premier League.

It's the same everywhere. Former famous players use clubs as stepping stones to jobs they are simply not qualfied for and will simply not do the work to earn. Our fans fell over themselves to suck on the managerial appendage of Frank Lampard, even though he didn't have one. He looked good though and made everyone feel fuzzy in his reflected playing glory. Dupes.

 

[DanB90]

 

[Toffeepot]

I tend to take the opposite view. The people who wanted him gone were genuinely wetting the bed, being consumed by results being the only thing that matters and unable to see the evidence in front of them that we were simply being unlucky. These are the sort of people who've caused us to chop and change so much and, worse than that, a lot of them on here at least were properly scornful about anyone wanting to stick with him.

Anyone who's doubling down now is either a genuine loon or is seeing something that none of the rest of us can (which might mean they're actual geniuses).

They're not

 

[MisterJ]

Was Martinez biggest flaw …. He took Wigan down because he was asking Titus bramble and steve Caldwell to play the ball around like they were Franz bekenbaur . It led to multiple “individual errors” which you cannot account for… well actually sometimes you can, stop asking players to play to their weaknesses , dyche has a system that is simple and the only real requirement is hard work and concentration , which these players have shown that they have

I bet his system isn't as simple as we all think it is; there's probably a lot of hard work, thought and application going on at the training ground to make it look so simple to us

 

[UndercoverClaret]

I just don't like seeing fans duped by famous ex-players transitioning into management who have no intention of sticking around. Ambition is fine and laudable. But only if you do what's best for the club you are at while you build your career. Burnley is being used, in my opinion, to further the career of Vincent Kompany. That's on the Burley board, of course, but Kompany has no interest in "doing a Dyche" and hanging around for a decade to transform the club. He is using them to build his brand - that of somebody who "plays the right way." But given the players Burnley have, that's self-evidently not he right the way to survive in the Premier League.

It's the same everywhere. Former famous players use clubs as stepping stones to jobs they are simply not qualfied for and will simply not do the work to earn. Our fans fell over themselves to suck on the managerial appendage of Frank Lampard, even though he didn't have one. He looked good though and made everyone feel fuzzy in his reflected playing glory. Dupes.

It runs much deeper than that mate.

We're a mess, imo.

Some fans don't want to hear it and get reeled in by hyperbole/optics and PR. This notion that we're 'lucky to have VK' and the 2nd rate contrived doc to win people over etc.

- I was skeptical when the Yanks took over but less year papered over some cracks. Even more skeptical when the two remaining members of our old board finally fully stepped down meaning that our entire footballign operation is being ran by ex Wall St shitesters - literally no one on the board with any experience in British Football.

No first team scouts any more - all our analysis/recruitment is ran off VK's very own 'MUD analytics' -

https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/10867406-mud-analytics-limited

The whole thing stinks. Hard to take and support tbh.

 

[Walken]

I bet his system isn't as simple as we all think it is; there's probably a lot of hard work, thought and application going on at the training ground to make it look so simple to us

You are definately right, but when I watch Everton and especially seeing players come in and out of side without us losing identity I think back to the key message Stokes and Baz have with the England test team, making sure everyone has clarity in what they are doing and then not imploding and changing the message because they are doing the right thing and it didn't come off. We are seeing brilliant leadership at Everton right now.

 

[Drico]

It runs much deeper than that mate.

We're a mess, imo.

Some fans don't want to hear it and get reeled in by hyperbole/optics and PR. This notion that we're 'lucky to have VK' and the 2nd rate contrived doc to win people over etc.

- I was skeptical when the Yanks took over but less year papered over some cracks. Even more skeptical when the two remaining members of our old board finally fully stepped down meaning that our entire footballign operation is being ran by ex Wall St shitesters - literally no one on the board with any experience in British Football.

No first team scouts any more - all our analysis/recruitment is ran off VK's very own 'MUD analytics' -

https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/10867406-mud-analytics-limited

The whole thing stinks. Hard to take and support tbh.

Sounds like us in a few months - the only difference being the two former members of your board might actually have been good. Ours were borderline criminal.

Let's face it, the modern game has sold its soul. Everything is a brand now.

 

[pfim]

I just don't like seeing fans duped by famous ex-players transitioning into management who have no intention of sticking around. Ambition is fine and laudable. But only if you do what's best for the club you are at while you build your career. Burnley is being used, in my opinion, to further the career of Vincent Kompany. That's on the Burley board, of course, but Kompany has no interest in "doing a Dyche" and hanging around for a decade to transform the club. He is using them to build his brand - that of somebody who "plays the right way." But given the players Burnley have, that's self-evidently not he right the way to survive in the Premier League.

It's the same everywhere. Former famous players use clubs as stepping stones to jobs they are simply not qualfied for and will simply not do the work to earn. Our fans fell over themselves to suck on the managerial appendage of Frank Lampard, even though he didn't have one. He looked good though and made everyone feel fuzzy in his reflected playing glory. Dupes.

I think that's a bit much. Given his career and who he played for, it's more likely he believes that's the best path to success. It certainly worked last year. To say he's not qualified after the result last year isn't right, especially since he spent 3 years at Anderlecht. His name helps but he wasn't handed a PL job, he had almost 100 games under his belt in a lower league before he got a Championship job.

How many managers stay at clubs for 10 years? Not many. ALK didn't show much faith or loyalty to Dyche, and I truly believe it cost them their PL place. Kompany should show as much loyalty as the counterparty.

I haven't watched Burnley much this year but what I saw on Saturday was a group of players as a whole who are not ready for the Premier League physically. I truly don't believe they have the talent/ability to stay in the PL, regardless of how they play.

 

[Walken]

I think that's a bit much. Given his career and who he played for, it's more likely he believes that's the best path to success. It certainly worked last year. To say he's not qualified after the result last year isn't right, especially since he spent 3 years at Anderlecht. His name helps but he wasn't handed a PL job, he had almost 100 games under his belt in a lower league before he got a Championship job.

How many managers stay at clubs for 10 years? Not many. ALK didn't show much faith or loyalty to Dyche, and I truly believe it cost them their PL place. Kompany should show as much loyalty as the counterparty.

I haven't watched Burnley much this year but what I saw on Saturday was a group of players as a whole who are not ready for the Premier League physically. I truly don't believe they have the talent/ability to stay in the PL, regardless of how they play.

I also don't think there is a complete failure in a promoted team getting relegated, Kompany's methods may work in the long run but it might take more than one go at the Prem to do so.