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2023/24 Sean Dyche

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pfim said:
I think that's a bit much. Given his career and who he played for, it's more likely he believes that's the best path to success. It certainly worked last year. To say he's not qualified after the result last year isn't right, especially since he spent 3 years at Anderlecht. His name helps but he wasn't handed a PL job, he had almost 100 games under his belt in a lower league before he got a Championship job.

How many managers stay at clubs for 10 years? Not many. ALK didn't show much faith or loyalty to Dyche, and I truly believe it cost them their PL place. Kompany should show as much loyalty as the counterparty.

I haven't watched Burnley much this year but what I saw on Saturday was a group of players as a whole who are not ready for the Premier League physically. I truly don't believe they have the talent/ability to stay in the PL, regardless of how they play.
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Worth noting that VK and his own data analysis team signed most of them (Brownhill, JayRod aside) and spent a fair decent whack in doing so
 
pfim said:
I think that's a bit much. Given his career and who he played for, it's more likely he believes that's the best path to success. It certainly worked last year. To say he's not qualified after the result last year isn't right, especially since he spent 3 years at Anderlecht. His name helps but he wasn't handed a PL job, he had almost 100 games under his belt in a lower league before he got a Championship job.

How many managers stay at clubs for 10 years? Not many. ALK didn't show much faith or loyalty to Dyche, and I truly believe it cost them their PL place. Kompany should show as much loyalty as the counterparty.

I haven't watched Burnley much this year but what I saw on Saturday was a group of players as a whole who are not ready for the Premier League physically. I truly don't believe they have the talent/ability to stay in the PL, regardless of how they play.
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As others have said just looked like us under lampard tyring pass it out from the back. With no real power pace strength ect in the players. Also a manager who wont adapt his style to try win or get back in a game, out of the three time i think will be bottom the other two look to have some fight in them
 
toffeeblue9 said:
I tend to take the opposite view. The people who wanted him gone were genuinely wetting the bed, being consumed by results being the only thing that matters and unable to see the evidence in front of them that we were simply being unlucky. These are the sort of people who've caused us to chop and change so much and, worse than that, a lot of them on here at least were properly scornful about anyone wanting to stick with him.

Anyone who's doubling down now is either a genuine loon or is seeing something that none of the rest of us can (which might mean they're actual geniuses).
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I did question him because of how bad the home record was, as you say can be unlucky but sometimes you have to make your own luck and change it around. That is what he has done hope that he can continue it now, still has alot of work to do but is on the right direction.
 
mikel_88 said:
As others have said just looked like us under lampard tyring pass it out from the back. With no real power pace strength ect in the players. Also a manager who wont adapt his style to try win or get back in a game, out of the three time i think will be bottom the other two look to have some fight in them
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We completely outmuscled them, how should Burnley have adapted on Saturday? I don't think going direct would have worked, look at the players they have.

I have no dog in this fight, but I don't think Kompany being more "pragmatic" is really going to help them much.

It's still Burnley, regardless of the ownership change, they don't have a huge budget. It shows you what type of job Dyche did there.

The same Dyche who suffered relegation in his first shot at the PL with Burnley, mind you.
 

pfim said:
We completely outmuscled them, how should Burnley have adapted on Saturday? I don't think going direct would have worked, look at the players they have.

I have no dog in this fight, but I don't think Kompany being more "pragmatic" is really going to help them much.

It's still Burnley, regardless of the ownership change, they don't have a huge budget. It shows you what type of job Dyche did there.

The same Dyche who suffered relegation in his first shot at the PL with Burnley, mind you.
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Cant always change style agree was never going to outmuscle us but you could avoid over passing at the back. Trying to play it out all the time, even at corners they tried to be clever instead of putting it striaight into the box.
 
UndercoverClaret said:
Worth noting that VK and his own data analysis team signed most of them (Brownhill, JayRod aside) and spent a fair decent whack in doing so
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There are some good players there, good value btw, contributing at a very young age. Trafford very good, will only get better. Beyer, Al-Dakhil, Odobert.
 
pfim said:
Just looking at Transfermkt, he brought in 15 players via fees, loans or frees, for 110M. That's peanuts in the Premier League.
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It’s not peanuts for Burnley, and it’s not peanuts when some of those aren’t even featuring in the match day squad.

We have 11 wingers and one left back (who he didn’t fancy). The club is a mess mate
 
pfim said:
I think that's a bit much. Given his career and who he played for, it's more likely he believes that's the best path to success. It certainly worked last year. To say he's not qualified after the result last year isn't right, especially since he spent 3 years at Anderlecht. His name helps but he wasn't handed a PL job, he had almost 100 games under his belt in a lower league before he got a Championship job.

How many managers stay at clubs for 10 years? Not many. ALK didn't show much faith or loyalty to Dyche, and I truly believe it cost them their PL place. Kompany should show as much loyalty as the counterparty.

I haven't watched Burnley much this year but what I saw on Saturday was a group of players as a whole who are not ready for the Premier League physically. I truly don't believe they have the talent/ability to stay in the PL, regardless of how they play.
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It worked last year...in the Championship. And as we now know, the best three teams in last season's Championship are so weak even we can afford a 10-point deduction and expect to stay up.

I'm not saying he was handed a PL job - that was Lampard. I am saying that he is building a brand at Burnley's expense and there will be plenty buyers for his particular brand of self-serving snake oil.
 

John from Bootle said:
Genuine question: Is this an exaggeration?
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No - it isn’t
Of course there’s some that over lap into other positions/areas, but that sort of floaty attacking mid area.

Out and out left back: Charlie Taylor

Wingers:

Benson, Zaroury, Brunn Larsen, Koleosho, Odobert, Trésor, Gudmundsson, Ramsey, Redmond, Churlinov, Agyei.

Oh and Foster, Amdouni and Obafemi have played on the wing/inside forward for us this year (just to show how many we have that can do that)

Sorry to thread hijack - just find it baffling how light people like VK get off in the media and sort of general opinion.

Even people praising his attempts of ‘playing the right way’ - whilst not looking at the absolute mess of a squad he’s been the orchestrator behind, that are absolutely miles off PL football.
 
pfim said:
We completely outmuscled them, how should Burnley have adapted on Saturday? I don't think going direct would have worked, look at the players they have.

I have no dog in this fight, but I don't think Kompany being more "pragmatic" is really going to help them much.

It's still Burnley, regardless of the ownership change, they don't have a huge budget. It shows you what type of job Dyche did there.

The same Dyche who suffered relegation in his first shot at the PL with Burnley, mind you.
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What could Kompay do? Buy players that fit the brief. But if you decided - in the interests of your own career, perhaps - that the brief is to look "progressive", then don't be suprised if you find you've got the wrong players for the real job: trying to stay up against the odds.

His players looked great last season at a lower level. He looks like a rabbit in the headlights now he's playing senior hurling. Nice baseball cap, though.
 
mikel_88 said:
Cant always change style agree was never going to outmuscle us but you could avoid over passing at the back. Trying to play it out all the time, even at corners they tried to be clever instead of putting it striaight into the box.
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They talked about their corners on match of the day. Before the game they had scored from 1 corner in 91 attempts this season.

And due to having zero luck with their corners against us, they started going short to try and work something. Which also failed as they aren’t technical enough to find the space etc
 
Marius57 said:
They talked about their corners on match of the day. Before the game they had scored from 1 corner in 91 attempts this season.

And due to having zero luck with their corners against us, they started going short to try and work something. Which also failed as they aren’t technical enough to find the space etc
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I think we addressed that short corner issue aswell, earlier in the season teams definately targeted us there to good effect
 

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