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2024/25 Sean Dyche

Saint Domingo said:
It depends on your opinion of the squad quality. There’s some people who think it’s a relegation squad, there’s some who think it’s lower mid table, there’s some who think it’s irrelevant.

I’ve said many times I think it’s somewhere 12-16th probably about 13th if I had to be exact just behind Palace.

In 22/23 I think we had the 2nd worst squad in the league so I think Dyche’s ppg to get us to safety was an overachievement on the squad quality

In 23/24 I think we had 14th or 15th best squad, maybe tied in with Bournemouth and Wolves but behind Fulham Brighton and Palace. To finish 12th effectively without the deduction I think was a slight over achievement on the squad quality.

This season as I said I think 13th is about par. It’s been a rough start so we’ll have to make up some ground somewhere else but when people call out a massive underperformance I just don’t see it for a whole season against the quality of the squad unless people think this squad is significantly better in the quality rankings vis-à-vis every other team in the league.

I’d be a bit disappointed if we finished lower than 13th (unless we’re missing key players through injury long term), I’d be surprised if we finished much higher than it though.
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Again don’t really disagree with you but to put you on the spot do you currently think , at the minute and this season he’s getting the best out of them ?

I think with all that’s gone on since his arrival season 1 he probably overperformed given the position the club and squad were in . Last year what probably par , over the season with some real lows . This year I think I want to see improvement
 
ForeverEverton said:
They will be in need of a miracle worker after Carlo goes...
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You mean this Carlo? .... Thought he was crap according to some on here...

Carlo.webp
 
Harryflashman said:
Again don’t really disagree with you but to put you on the spot do you currently think , at the minute and this season he’s getting the best out of them ?

I think with all that’s gone on since his arrival season 1 he probably overperformed given the position the club and squad were in . Last year what probably par , over the season with some real lows . This year I think I want to see improvement
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I want to see improvement of course but it’s been 7 games. If Branthwaite plays and Dyche literally does nothing else different we probably have 3-4 more points and that’s just with one player staying fit.

It’s a problem of consistency though which belies bottom half teams and poor squads. One week they’ll put in the levels we’ve seen from Dyche’s teams in wins against Arsenal Liverpool Brighton Brentford Bournemouth Newcastle and the winning runs then all of a sudden they’re on a losing streak or lose to Luton at home. McNeil is motm one week and then anonymous the next.

What we can’t do though is take their best level and go ‘look that’s what they’re capable of the manager should be getting this out of them’. By the very nature of them being poorer players and Dyche being a bottom half manager, it’s not going to happen. They’re inconsistent, he’s inconsistent, and the result is we’re inconsistent.

So in my view over a whole season ‘getting the best’ out of these players is probably coming 10th or 11th maybe. That’s if we stay injury free. If Branthwaite Calvert Lewin Pickford and Ndiaye get long term injuries that might mean a different target.

The worst home performance of the season after Brighton was probably Palace and that’s the first game we’ve come form behind to win. We played far better against Bournemouth than we did against Newcastle but the points say differently.

So it’s been a bad start but I don’t think that means Dyche isn’t getting the best out the players, we’re just not in our best form right now, and that’s going to happen this season, probably a good few times, and there’ll be other times we’re playing well and winning. That’s the nature of a bottom half squad and why spot judgements during bad runs are about as pointless as saying he’s a brilliant manager during the winning runs. Whole seasons are all that matter.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Managers roughly finish in line with squad quality (unless you’re absolutely terrible)

If Everton want to win the league, give a manager a squad capable of winning the league.

If you give a manager a squad that is perhaps 12th, 13th, 14th best in the league, you can’t really be shocked when they return a league placing akin to this. Might finish a bit higher in a good season, might finish a bit lower in a bad season, but fundamentally the league position is not going to stray too far from the squad quality position.

The obvious answer to all of this is to significantly improve the squad quality but apart from a few windows under Moshiri (which were wasted) we’ve basically operated a sell to buy policy since about 1996.

If this doesn’t change nothing will change.
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Why bother having a manager at all, then? According to this post they are an irrelevance.
 

Blue peter said:
He’s not a coach - the modern managers who are fairly successful all appear to be coaches with the possible exception of Ancelotti who is more of a tactician and man manager.
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What is he then? If he's not coaching the players and not giving them tactical instructions (not my words, Dyche and Iroegbunam's words), then what is he doing?
 
windymiller said:
What is he then? If he's not coaching the players and not giving them tactical instructions (not my words, Dyche and Iroegbunam's words), then what is he doing?
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Not sure - by coach I meant coaching individuals as opposed to team patterns of play. I suspect he coaches team defensive shape but doubt they do transition or attacking drills as much as the defensive side but not sure anyone knows even Dychey, Stoney and Woany
 
Blue peter said:
Not sure - by coach I meant coaching individuals as opposed to team patterns of play. I suspect he coaches team defensive shape but doubt they do transition or attacking drills as much as the defensive side but not sure anyone knows even Dychey, Stoney and Woany
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His comments on not giving any tactical instructions to Branthwaite were bizarre, but the fact that Iroegbunam said the same thing seems to confirm that that is likely true. I assumed that what he did as an alternative to individual instructions for players was, as you say, team level coaching but I honestly have no idea any more. It all seems very strange to me.
 
Blue peter said:
Not sure - by coach I meant coaching individuals as opposed to team patterns of play. I suspect he coaches team defensive shape but doubt they do transition or attacking drills as much as the defensive side but not sure anyone knows even Dychey, Stoney and Woany
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I wonder how Steve Stone cannot contribute more to attacking pattern, he was a good winger back in the day.

What's sure is being a good player and good manager/coach is a different thing that many even world class players failed on.
 

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