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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
These are my thoughts on Dyche so as not to be misrepresented.
He did a great job keeping us up season 22/23 (this is not the season of Luton and Sheffield United). I’ve got no real time for anyone who wants to knock that or moan about style of play etc. the position at that time was absolutely dire when he came in, Bielsa had KBd us, Gordon sold, he got us over the line with one of the poorest squads in the league against Leicester and Leeds who both had a head start on us and better fixtures.
He improved us last season. 48 points from a team that had gone mid 30s both seasons before is progress in anyone’s book. Branthwaite in, fitness improved, attitude of players improved, managed the points deductions well, developed Onana as an asset, derby win, wage bill reduced and net spend down whilst points per game up.
As for moving forward. What I’d do right now is give him a one year extension, just because we can pay him out of it at any moment. If him or the players down tools because they know he’s going at the end of the season the cost of relegation is far far greater. Just give him a year and remove that risk off the table.
We get to the end of this season and there’s three scenarios (assuming we’ve been taken over, if we haven’t these are pointless)
1 - we’ve improved again on points total. If we’re in the mid 50s it’s difficult to dump a manager who’s taken you forward two seasons in a row. We extend by one year, gives the new owner time to find the right candidate and Dyche an opportunity to see if improvement continues.
2/3 - we’ve stayed the same or got worse. The new owner can then just pay out his final year and put his new man in place this summer.
At that point we will hopefully be a stable mid table PL club in a new stadium with a new owner and the worst of PS&R behind us. I’ll say thanks to Dyche for a good job under extremely difficult circumstances at the beginning of his time here and recognise that Everton benefitted financially at what was a critical juncture from having 2 and a half years of the same manager managing a squad that brought wages back in line, moved on some of the high earning deadwood, and developed players like Branthwaite Garner Onana into saleable assets for the club. I’ll also say thanks for improving some of the minimum standards in the squad of fitness and professionalism which had all but disappeared under previous managers.
I’m not calling for a 5 year deal, I’m not making an altar to him, I don’t think he’s the best Everton manager in our PL history or even in the top 3. He was in my view though the right man at the right time who did a very decent job.
What I do take issue with though is the same negative core of people who just get off on absolutely annihilating Everton at every opportunity. It’s Dyche today but it was Ancelotti before this and Moyes before that and it will be whoever we get through the door next. They’ll go almost entire seasons barely making a positive post about anything. Its now in the realms of just making stuff up, slamming the club for being linked with players who we’ve not even signed, predicting the most negative outcomes possible before every single game.
Congratulations you were right yesterday but you were also wrong before Arsenal, wrong before Leeds, wrong before Leicester, wrong before Brighton away, wrong before Bournemouth, wrong before Brentford away, wrong before Brentford home (both seasons), wrong before Liverpool at home, countless times you came on here with glee telling everyone how we would get battered and you were proven utterly wrong. So congratulations for ‘we all knew 100% what would happen when we saw the team sheet’ - I guess it happens 100% of the times except for when it doesn’t.
You were right yesterday but you were wrong when you gleefully predicted we’d go down in 22/23, wrong saying Luton were a better side than us, wrong when you slammed the club for buying Lingard Che Adams Kalvin Phillips Wout Weghorst, wrong when you mocked Pickford, wrong when you were convinced Branthwaite wouldn’t play ahead of Keane, wrong when you were convinced Iroegbunam wouldn’t play in the first team.
Half of my respect for Dyche is just because he’s proved you illiterate hypocrite weasels wrong more times recently than most other managers before him had when you were absolutely desperate for another manager to be fired and Everton to go down so you could revel in it a bit more.
He did a great job keeping us up season 22/23 (this is not the season of Luton and Sheffield United). I’ve got no real time for anyone who wants to knock that or moan about style of play etc. the position at that time was absolutely dire when he came in, Bielsa had KBd us, Gordon sold, he got us over the line with one of the poorest squads in the league against Leicester and Leeds who both had a head start on us and better fixtures.
He improved us last season. 48 points from a team that had gone mid 30s both seasons before is progress in anyone’s book. Branthwaite in, fitness improved, attitude of players improved, managed the points deductions well, developed Onana as an asset, derby win, wage bill reduced and net spend down whilst points per game up.
As for moving forward. What I’d do right now is give him a one year extension, just because we can pay him out of it at any moment. If him or the players down tools because they know he’s going at the end of the season the cost of relegation is far far greater. Just give him a year and remove that risk off the table.
We get to the end of this season and there’s three scenarios (assuming we’ve been taken over, if we haven’t these are pointless)
1 - we’ve improved again on points total. If we’re in the mid 50s it’s difficult to dump a manager who’s taken you forward two seasons in a row. We extend by one year, gives the new owner time to find the right candidate and Dyche an opportunity to see if improvement continues.
2/3 - we’ve stayed the same or got worse. The new owner can then just pay out his final year and put his new man in place this summer.
At that point we will hopefully be a stable mid table PL club in a new stadium with a new owner and the worst of PS&R behind us. I’ll say thanks to Dyche for a good job under extremely difficult circumstances at the beginning of his time here and recognise that Everton benefitted financially at what was a critical juncture from having 2 and a half years of the same manager managing a squad that brought wages back in line, moved on some of the high earning deadwood, and developed players like Branthwaite Garner Onana into saleable assets for the club. I’ll also say thanks for improving some of the minimum standards in the squad of fitness and professionalism which had all but disappeared under previous managers.
I’m not calling for a 5 year deal, I’m not making an altar to him, I don’t think he’s the best Everton manager in our PL history or even in the top 3. He was in my view though the right man at the right time who did a very decent job.
What I do take issue with though is the same negative core of people who just get off on absolutely annihilating Everton at every opportunity. It’s Dyche today but it was Ancelotti before this and Moyes before that and it will be whoever we get through the door next. They’ll go almost entire seasons barely making a positive post about anything. Its now in the realms of just making stuff up, slamming the club for being linked with players who we’ve not even signed, predicting the most negative outcomes possible before every single game.
Congratulations you were right yesterday but you were also wrong before Arsenal, wrong before Leeds, wrong before Leicester, wrong before Brighton away, wrong before Bournemouth, wrong before Brentford away, wrong before Brentford home (both seasons), wrong before Liverpool at home, countless times you came on here with glee telling everyone how we would get battered and you were proven utterly wrong. So congratulations for ‘we all knew 100% what would happen when we saw the team sheet’ - I guess it happens 100% of the times except for when it doesn’t.
You were right yesterday but you were wrong when you gleefully predicted we’d go down in 22/23, wrong saying Luton were a better side than us, wrong when you slammed the club for buying Lingard Che Adams Kalvin Phillips Wout Weghorst, wrong when you mocked Pickford, wrong when you were convinced Branthwaite wouldn’t play ahead of Keane, wrong when you were convinced Iroegbunam wouldn’t play in the first team.
Half of my respect for Dyche is just because he’s proved you illiterate hypocrite weasels wrong more times recently than most other managers before him had when you were absolutely desperate for another manager to be fired and Everton to go down so you could revel in it a bit more.
Centre half is a concern as long as Michael Keane is on the pitch. The manager could’ve helped solve this issue by not playing him, as we had another option, but he chose not to. So centre half was an issue yesterday that the manager directly caused.
We were one of the best defences in the league last season because Michael Keane barely got a minute of football. Whenever he did play we conceded goals.
This will probably sound petty, but, I genuinely can't decide if Dyche's football or his constant rubbing of his head and face and then sniffing his hand followed by having his finger far too close to his nose and then rubbing his forefinger and thumb together during any televised interview you see of him. All of this whilst coming out with soundbytes, platitudes and deflections.
On reflection it is the football, because I can avoid watching his pressers and post match but interviews, the football, however, I am stuck with. I don't advocate sacking him now, I still think he can keep us up this season, but, provided we have new owners by the end of the season it has to be a case of thanks for all you've done Sean, see you. Oh God the day can't come quick enough for me.
On reflection it is the football, because I can avoid watching his pressers and post match but interviews, the football, however, I am stuck with. I don't advocate sacking him now, I still think he can keep us up this season, but, provided we have new owners by the end of the season it has to be a case of thanks for all you've done Sean, see you. Oh God the day can't come quick enough for me.
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £60m
Just simply needs to get with the times. Needs to get the team scoring goals. I don’t think he is a dinosaur in the Allardyce sense, but the premier league experience spiel is not going to win him any fans.
Managers are not infallible. Even the great ones get things wrong all the time. When Carlo froze out Gordon (and we really needed him once injuries hit), he was wrong. Massively wrong. We could have used his pace, but Carlo killed his confidence and sent him off. It set back his development a whole year and Ant went on to bigger and better things somewhere else.
We can’t keep having this crap happen with Rooney, Young, Delph, Coleman, etc. Its detrimental for the aspirations of the team. Dyche said he wanted to change things. He has done some good things. This crap needs to stop. Whether it be Patterson or Dixon in the RB spot- Ndiaye or Lindstrom- he needs to make these players better. Not rely on “experience.”
Managers are not infallible. Even the great ones get things wrong all the time. When Carlo froze out Gordon (and we really needed him once injuries hit), he was wrong. Massively wrong. We could have used his pace, but Carlo killed his confidence and sent him off. It set back his development a whole year and Ant went on to bigger and better things somewhere else.
We can’t keep having this crap happen with Rooney, Young, Delph, Coleman, etc. Its detrimental for the aspirations of the team. Dyche said he wanted to change things. He has done some good things. This crap needs to stop. Whether it be Patterson or Dixon in the RB spot- Ndiaye or Lindstrom- he needs to make these players better. Not rely on “experience.”
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
You do a lot of telling people how wrong they are for someone who thought Benitez was doing a good job and shouldn’t have been sacked.
Actually, I would not let the valuable PL game time to a 39 years old player. He would not gain and improve much more. The most important is Young does not have any reselling value. If Dixion improves by game time, we will save a lot to buy a new one. If not, we can start Young again. There is nothing lose to try others but not young.
That piece of paper said “FFS tell Tim to stop spraying those great little passes and start running around more”
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Never said he shouldn’t have been sacked when he was.
GrandOldSte117
Player Valuation: £15m
De ja vu for when? We had won 5 of our previous games at goodison in a row.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
But again, a lot are just focusing on one area that wasn't a concern yesterday though.
Any team in the league is 2.0 at home against them in the first half. But we ended up with a striker who had zero shots on goal. A number 10 who had 1. 2 wide players who completed 3 out of 9 crosses all game.
Put Beto, Ndiaye, Jesper on.
But it was a concern yesterday because we got battered
We could’ve had all of those attackers on and scored 1 or 2 goals, but we still would’ve conceded 3 because Young and Keane played.
This is such a lazy statement and completely untrue.
Hes just been schooled by a 31 year old whos just walked into the league. Hes a poor manager.
The idea propagated by our fan base that hes some type of miracle worker because hes kept us up is nonsense.
Other managers have gone into worst teams in this league and had them playing better football and finishing higher up the league.
He best hope he can get a result against Bournemouth otherwise we'll be looking at 4 defeats in a row at the start of the new season and then we'll be back to every game being a must win and the stress/pruessure that goes with it.
Although having said that he wont get sacked while moshiri is still our owner otherwisehed of been sacked after chelsea. So untill then we might as well just...back the team as best we can
Lot of stuff I disagree with in this
Not sure what the point would be in offering a contract extension only to then pay it out in the summer anyway. That few million could be spent on wages for a new player.
I dont think its true that those who criticise Dyche did the same with Ancelotti. I certainly didn't. And the two managers can't be compared - Ancelotti is a top 5 manager of all time.
And it's just wrong that people who criticise Dyche would like us to get relegated. We don't like Dyche's management because we want to see the team improve and play better football, scoring more goals.
And we've discussed yesterday plenty and we all have different opinions on it - thats fair enough. But it really was very concerning when the team news was announced, and the fears were absolutely fair.
Streetender1878
Player Valuation: £2.5m
The coventry match pre season. Holgate and keane at centreback. We were all over the place and got battered 3-0. The solidity of the team is built on your centrehalfs. You would expect to see some organization at least. Nope. Same yesterday. Keane brings instability and panics our defence. Hes lost that many times that he doesnt hurt after another bad loss. If lampard hadnt have dropped him when he did we wouldve been relegated. He wasnt a part of the top 4 defence from last season either. I saw him at salford and preston as a sub and he was his usual terrible self. Positioning all over the place. Dyche saying hes played well pre season. Well i mustve missed that.