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2024/25 Sean Dyche

kenada_blue said:
They'll go down. Luton mark 2
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They may well do (but no doubt they will take points off us in the process) and he may have to learn from a lot of mistakes this year….it will just be interesting to see how he acquits himself. At his young age, having been managing in League 1 in his first managerial role only two years ago, if he stays up that will be some feat, but even if he doesn’t he’s still one to keep an eye on
 
Blue peter said:
And actually the mistake Young made yesterday in trying to control the ball with his chest before being sent off is exactly the type of mistake that an inexperienced player could potentially make….Young is 39
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Funnily enough really old players past it often meme the same mistakes really young inexperienced players do.

Young of 21 can do that and get to the loose ball, young of 39 can't, its the mind willing body unable to do it anymore - you see it in boxing all the time when fighters go on too long.
 

kenada_blue said:
Still think we're getting too hung up the experience line on Keane. He was fine yesterday.

It is and always will be the forward line that we've brought players in that he's dropped the ball on.

McNeil, Dom, and Doucs were ineffective. He's got the players to change it
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No he wasn’t. If by “fine” you mean he didn’t single handedly cost us a goal, yeah. His presence on the pitch results in us conceding multiple goals every single game. This is because of the intangibles that you don’t always see, like his ball watching, not anticipating danger, not following the run of a striker, being dragged too far out of position at the wrong times. Do you ever ask yourself why we always leak like a sieve when he plays despite on the face of it not making individual howlers for every goal?

Being in the right place at the right time is what separates good defenders from poor ones. He is seldom ever in the right place at the right time. He can’t read the game properly, he ball watches, he’s easy to lose as a striker, his starting body shape is never right, he’s always square to the ball which means he’s always on his heels. End result is we concede goals. So he’s not fine.
 
kenada_blue said:
Still think we're getting too hung up the experience line on Keane. He was fine yesterday.

It is and always will be the forward line that we've brought players in that he's dropped the ball on.

McNeil, Dom, and Doucs were ineffective. He's got the players to change it
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The challenge I always have with playing players who have consistently shown they can’t do it, is the impact it has on those around him, for instance has JT tried to over compensate at times which has effected his performance etc. if we as supporters can see things, his team mates certainly can. Every member of the first 11 needs to have confidence in each other
 
Blue peter said:
They may well do (but no doubt they will take points off us in the process) and he may have to learn from a lot of mistakes this year….it will just be interesting to see how he acquits himself. At his young age, having been managing in League 1 in his first managerial role only two years ago, if he stays up that will be some feat, but even if he doesn’t he’s still one to keep an eye on
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Of course. But until we sell up and stop being a basket case club, any manager would see it as career suicide.

Dyche is still what we need until the club is sorted in the background IMO.
 

bluestevon said:
Funnily enough really old players past it often meme the same mistakes really young inexperienced players do.

Young of 21 can do that and get to the loose ball, young of 39 can't, its the mind willing body unable to do it anymore - you see it in boxing all the time when fighters go on too long.
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Yeah I think for me it was the less the physical reaction/recovery time to his mistake, more the mentality to try and do that with a blind spot in behind which you often equate more with inexperience
 
kenada_blue said:
Still think we're getting too hung up the experience line on Keane. He was fine yesterday.

It is and always will be the forward line that we've brought players in that he's dropped the ball on.

McNeil, Dom, and Doucs were ineffective. He's got the players to change it
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He's got the players to change it but have we got the players on our books who can improve on them?
 
MikeH72 said:
No he wasn’t. If by “fine” you mean he didn’t single handedly cost us a goal, yeah. His presence on the pitch results in us conceding multiple goals every single game. This is because of the intangibles that you don’t always see, like his ball watching, not anticipating danger, not following the run of a striker, being dragged too far out of position at the wrong times. Do you ever ask yourself why we always leak like a sieve when he plays despite on the face of it not making individual howlers for every goal?

Being in the right place at the right time is what separates good defenders from poor ones. He is seldom ever in the right place at the right time. He can’t read the game properly, he ball watches, he’s easy to lose as a striker. End result is we concede goals. So he’s not fine.
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Oh I'm not defending him being awful and JOB should've started.

But I don't think we win that game with or without Keane due to a forward line that failed to capitalise on naive football from Brighton.

Just think we're hung on one area of the pitch that isn't a concern. Don't forget we were one of the best defences in the league last season.
 

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