2024/25 Sean Dyche

[MikeH72]

Never said he shouldn’t have been sacked when he was.

You did blame the fans for his failure though, for turning on him after Watford.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

De ja vu for when? We had won 5 of our previous games at goodison in a row.

Games where we are playing really well for 30 mins, waste chances, concede a goal, go to bits and get beat.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Games where we are playing really well for 30 mins, waste chances, concede a goal, go to bits and get beat.

Ye, absolutely it cropped up again. But going 1 down and booing? How does that even allow us a chance at doing what we haven't done yet to come back and win.

 

[Saint Domingo]

You did blame the fans for his failure though, for turning on him after Watford.

why are you bringing up Benitez in the Dyche thread? Actually why do you bring him up at almost every possible opportunity? Let it go….if you can.

 

[MikeH72]

why are you bringing up Benitez in the Dyche thread? Actually why do you bring him up at almost every possible opportunity? Let it go….if you can.

I didn’t bring him up at all.

 

[Verbal Kint]

He does himself no favours by his stubbornness...

Fact is he's been the perfect manager for us at our most difficult time...

Long term he has no business being the Everton manager. But when do we decide when the time is right. Keep us in the Premier league again this year should be his only job. In the summer then the whole structure top to bottom needs doing.

A young manager similar to what Brighton and Ipswich have. We need to build something from the ground up. No short term fixes

 

[Saint Domingo]

I didn’t bring him up at all.

Just bizarre that whenever he’s mentioned at all, there you are, straight away, every time.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Ye, absolutely it cropped up again. But going 1 down and booing? How does that even allow us a chance at doing what we haven't done yet to come back and win.

Didn’t agree with the booing, just putting it out there what lads were saying around me at the game.

 

[bluestevon]

Yeah I think for me it was the less the physical reaction/recovery time to his mistake, more the mentality to try and do that with a blind spot in behind which you often equate more with inexperience

Know what you mean mate, but when young was errrm.young :/ he could hdve chested it down and recovered

Centre half is a concern as long as Michael Keane is on the pitch. The manager could’ve helped solve this issue by not playing him, as we had another option, but he chose not to. So centre half was an issue yesterday that the manager directly caused.

We were one of the best defences in the league last season because Michael Keane barely got a minute of football. Whenever he did play we conceded goals.

Just did a bit of a check, his last 8 games for us - this and all last season.

Played 8 won 2, lost 6.
Scored 3, conceded 22
Conceded 3 or more in 5 of those games (3 three times, 4 twice, 6 once)

Putting that into context, over the course of the season with him as a starter all 38 games and extrapolating his influence, we'd average 28.5 points, we'd score 14 and concede 105.

That's the Keano effect.

 

[Verbal Kint]

These are my thoughts on Dyche so as not to be misrepresented.

He did a great job keeping us up season 22/23 (this is not the season of Luton and Sheffield United). I’ve got no real time for anyone who wants to knock that or moan about style of play etc. the position at that time was absolutely dire when he came in, Bielsa had KBd us, Gordon sold, he got us over the line with one of the poorest squads in the league against Leicester and Leeds who both had a head start on us and better fixtures.

He improved us last season. 48 points from a team that had gone mid 30s both seasons before is progress in anyone’s book. Branthwaite in, fitness improved, attitude of players improved, managed the points deductions well, developed Onana as an asset, derby win, wage bill reduced and net spend down whilst points per game up.

As for moving forward. What I’d do right now is give him a one year extension, just because we can pay him out of it at any moment. If him or the players down tools because they know he’s going at the end of the season the cost of relegation is far far greater. Just give him a year and remove that risk off the table.

We get to the end of this season and there’s three scenarios (assuming we’ve been taken over, if we haven’t these are pointless)

1 - we’ve improved again on points total. If we’re in the mid 50s it’s difficult to dump a manager who’s taken you forward two seasons in a row. We extend by one year, gives the new owner time to find the right candidate and Dyche an opportunity to see if improvement continues.

2/3 - we’ve stayed the same or got worse. The new owner can then just pay out his final year and put his new man in place this summer.

At that point we will hopefully be a stable mid table PL club in a new stadium with a new owner and the worst of PS&R behind us. I’ll say thanks to Dyche for a good job under extremely difficult circumstances at the beginning of his time here and recognise that Everton benefitted financially at what was a critical juncture from having 2 and a half years of the same manager managing a squad that brought wages back in line, moved on some of the high earning deadwood, and developed players like Branthwaite Garner Onana into saleable assets for the club. I’ll also say thanks for improving some of the minimum standards in the squad of fitness and professionalism which had all but disappeared under previous managers.

I’m not calling for a 5 year deal, I’m not making an altar to him, I don’t think he’s the best Everton manager in our PL history or even in the top 3. He was in my view though the right man at the right time who did a very decent job.

What I do take issue with though is the same negative core of people who just get off on absolutely annihilating Everton at every opportunity. It’s Dyche today but it was Ancelotti before this and Moyes before that and it will be whoever we get through the door next. They’ll go almost entire seasons barely making a positive post about anything. Its now in the realms of just making stuff up, slamming the club for being linked with players who we’ve not even signed, predicting the most negative outcomes possible before every single game.

Congratulations you were right yesterday but you were also wrong before Arsenal, wrong before Leeds, wrong before Leicester, wrong before Brighton away, wrong before Bournemouth, wrong before Brentford away, wrong before Brentford home (both seasons), wrong before Liverpool at home, countless times you came on here with glee telling everyone how we would get battered and you were proven utterly wrong. So congratulations for ‘we all knew 100% what would happen when we saw the team sheet’ - I guess it happens 100% of the times except for when it doesn’t.

You were right yesterday but you were wrong when you gleefully predicted we’d go down in 22/23, wrong saying Luton were a better side than us, wrong when you slammed the club for buying Lingard Che Adams Kalvin Phillips Wout Weghorst, wrong when you mocked Pickford, wrong when you were convinced Branthwaite wouldn’t play ahead of Keane, wrong when you were convinced Iroegbunam wouldn’t play in the first team.

Half of my respect for Dyche is just because he’s proved you illiterate hypocrite weasels wrong more times recently than most other managers before him had when you were absolutely desperate for another manager to be fired and Everton to go down so you could revel in it a bit more.

Many fair points in that mate. If he gets 50 points this season with the squad we have I think he should get a stand named after him.

Long term he just isn't the solution. Keep us up and job done for Dyche and Everton

 

[JLW]

Know what you mean mate, but when young was errrm.young :/ he could hdve chested it down and recovered


Just did a bit of a check, his last 8 games for us - this and all last season.

Played 8 won 2, lost 6.
Scored 3, conceded 22
Conceded 3 or more in 5 of those games (3 three times, 4 twice, 6 once)

Putting that into context, over the course of the season with him as a starter all 38 games and extrapolating his influence, we'd average 28.5 points, we'd score 14 and concede 105.

That's the Keano effect.

He had a great pre season though, conceding 8 against Coventry Sligo and Salford.

This fella is trolling us as much as Benitez was, fire him from a gun today.

 

[Cjplennon]

He does himself no favours by his stubbornness...

Fact is he's been the perfect manager for us at our most difficult time...

Long term he has no business being the Everton manager. But when do we decide when the time is right. Keep us in the Premier league again this year should be his only job. In the summer then the whole structure top to bottom needs doing.

A young manager similar to what Brighton and Ipswich have. We need to build something from the ground up. No short term fixes

Unfortunately we have an owner who doesn't understand anything about football. His stratergy when he bought us was for the birds and will take years to unravel once we get reputable competent owners.
We all can clearly see why they would not let him get close to any sort of control at that Arsenal. Until he's gone expect more of the same. We should be hounding this guy out, week in week out. Forget the 'premier league corrupt' protest that does nothing and takes focus away from the issue, we should be doing everthing we possibly can to get rid of Moshiri, force him to take a loss and go. There must be a way!

 

[bluestevon]

He had a great pre season though, conceding 8 against Coventry Sligo and Salford.

This fella is trolling us as much as Benitez was, fire him from a gun today.

I stick up his stats mate, when he played the last two seasons we concede an average of 2.75 goals per game. When he doesn't play we concede an average of one per game

 

[windymiller]

Part of it is self serving from Dyche mate, he repeats that mantra enough because he himself unlike a lot of replacement managers 'has' got that premier league experience.

It's code for I'm better for the club than any manager without the experience of the league I have

Yep, the young fella at Brighton showed up what a nonsense it all is.

 

[Streetender1878]

Know what you mean mate, but when young was errrm.young :/ he could hdve chested it down and recovered


Just did a bit of a check, his last 8 games for us - this and all last season.

Played 8 won 2, lost 6.
Scored 3, conceded 22
Conceded 3 or more in 5 of those games (3 three times, 4 twice, 6 once)

Putting that into context, over the course of the season with him as a starter all 38 games and extrapolating his influence, we'd average 28.5 points, we'd score 14 and concede 105.

That's the Keano effect.

This.