2024/25 Sean Dyche

[windymiller]

You said we've spent big sums on managers.

So I'm suggesting sacking another, in the months prior new ownership wouldn't help on that front.

Especially when a manager's contract is up in the summer anyway, and new owners seem imminent.

If we sacked Dyche in the summer, or last month - that's another pay off. Whoever come in, would then likely be sacked again under new owners.

I don't disagree that sacking Dyche would be another unfortunate expense. Once again, that speaks to the very poor recruitment to that post. If the club are confident and comfortable in the idea that Dyche won't relegated us then I totally understand the logic of just treading water with him until summer. However, 10 points from 11 games, with statistically the easiest fixtures of any of the PL clubs, and with an unenviable run of fixtures approaching, may make the situation less than comfortable for the club in 6 weeks time. Will the Friedkins be in by then, who knows? If they're not, do you stick or twist at that point? It's a £200m+ gamble at that point, not just an £8m pay out to a manager who doesn't play to win games.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Alway a voice of reason got. Keep it up.

Mob rule leads to reactive decisions. It’s like rioters burning down their cities because they are sick of the the conditions.

See the season out, get new owners in, remove Dyche with a shake of the hand and move on.

To be fair - I wanted Silva out earlier than he went for Emery. A late season upturn in form saved him IMO. I also wanted Koeman gone earlier than most. I wanted Lampard gone earlier, again for Emery when Villa got him. I'd argue they were more proactive decisions though

So I get it, but on Dyche I just think what's the point? His objective, whether we like to admit it or not, is keep us in the league. I'll take that, until there's new owners/Everton have the ability to spend/recruit a top manager.

That said, if we fall into the bottom 3 he needs sacking.

 

[Davideeyore]

I mean the fella in your avatar has dictated what is the reasonable objective this season.

Most of us, even @Davideeyore in June said Dyche deserved this season.

He deserved it - why? Because he kept our heads afloat in difficult circumstances.

Them circumstances haven't changed have they?

I'll bore you again but before Dyche;

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We've not spent a bean - since Dyche we're below even Brighton in this;

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^ Are always going to be in a scrap - 13th-17th and it's small margins.

As McNulty says, as been discussed to death on here - nobody is sacking Dyche now. And new owners won't give him a new deal.

You'll hold me to that.

But I think most of us would have wanted Dyche out by April last year having not won since Burnley on the 16th December. Dyche got good will for basically being the face of the club in such a torrid time but also by the end of the season he made progress, amazingly. Those results basically kept him in a job. There wouldn't have any reason sacking him. You would however, expect Everton to progress, considering the way we finished the season. In fact we went backwards.

Fast forward to pre season, things didn't 'smell' right, and after the start to the season, I don't know I guess 'the feel' of it wasn't right, and now it feels likes there's something wrong with the nuts & bolts.

I can't think of any reason to keep him other than the club's lack of leadership, and lack of direction, and lack of accountability, and lack of ambition, lack of pride, lack of backbone, lack of balls, ......

They're basically putting off till tomorrow what they can do today. They are kicking the can down the road. The apathy from the club is now worse than under Bill Kenwright. But it's hardly surprising.

 

[Carlito]

Not when our highest earner can barely strike a football.

If only he'd have been out of contract last summer.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You'll hold me to that.

But I think most of us would have wanted Dyche out by April last year having not won since Burnley on the 16th December. Dyche got good will for basically being the face of the club in such a torrid time but also by the end of the season he made progress, amazingly. Those results basically kept him in a job. There wouldn't have any reason sacking him. You would however, expect Everton to progress, considering the way we finished the season. In fact we went backwards.

Fast forward to pre season, things didn't 'smell' right, and after the start to the season, I don't know I guess 'the feel' of it wasn't right, and now it feels likes there's something wrong with the nuts & bolts.

I can't think of any reason to keep him other than the club's lack of leadership, and lack of direction, and lack of accountability, and lack of ambition, lack of pride, lack of backbone, lack of balls, ......

They're basically putting off till tomorrow what they can do today. They are kicking the can down the road. The apathy from the club is now worse than under Bill Kenwright. But it's hardly surprising.

We have them spells. I remember a few weeks before Dyche;

• "Everton haven't won a match in 81 days of football in any competition. Every other club in the top 6 tiers of English football has won a match since then"

^ After that tweet, it went on even longer - we got beat to Southampton (H) and West Ham (A).

This Everton team just seem susceptible to really bad runs - like a lot of relegation fodder teams. We also have had some good runs under Dyche, but all people go on about is that one terrible run.

Think about it, if you felt Dyche did well last season given circumstances to the point that he deserved this season - what's changed? I mean we're all entitled to change our opinions but you wanted him sacked after 1 game this season

Also disagree about putting off until tomorrow what they can do today. New owners and limbo mate - part of the problems we've had for years now. Someone doesn't come in as a manager until the new owners are in.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't remember Danny on here every day defending Benitez at the time.

There's no comparison in Dyche and Benitez, really. When I've defended Dyche it's because of the cards he's been dealt, and the circumstances Everton have been in.

 

[Nymzee]

There's no comparison in Dyche and Benitez, really. When I've defended Dyche it's because of the cards he's been dealt, and the circumstances Everton have been in.

Benitez was dealt different cards to Dyche? would say he had a worse hand.

 

[pfim]

Seeing this from Phil McNulty on the BBC

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

Everton news: Phil McNulty on whether Blues will change manager

www.bbc.co.uk

Phil answered: There is certainly a growing frustration from Everton fans at the style of football being played under Sean Dyche, although I do think it was a case of needs must last season. He did a good job getting Everton to safety. It was not about style at that point - it was about safety.

This season, however, has been really tough to watch and results have been poor as well. The return of 10 points from their first 11 games is well below what would have been expected given those fixtures and they now have a tough run coming up.

I do not think Everton, given that a new ownership is in the process of being confirmed, will consider changing managers unless it really becomes a dire emergency.

I am sorry to say this to you, but ambitions this season must be limited to staying up before going into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, which offers the opportunity of a fresh start and reset under American billionaire Dan Friedkin after years of crisis and chaos.

What galls me is this bit underlined. This is not Phil or even Dyche, this is the club. It's the idea put out that this season is just about getting to BM in the PL.

You know Dyche came in after Lampard he did a job, he was always going to stay in charge it was never like Allardyche Allardcye just as a 6 month thing. And as Phil said needs must last season he did a good job getting Everton to safety. It should not be lost on anyone that after a poor start last season we also went just under 4 months without a win. Sackable for any other manager at any other club. Bar Everton. Dyche gets to stay because he did his job in trying circumstances.
Also because there's no one really at the club to make decisions.

He should have taken Everton on this season and if that is a lie, a misconception, even given the way we finished last season, perhaps take a look at other clubs around Everton last season up to mid table. Forest for example. It isn't happening because Dyche isn't that kind of progressive manager and it suits him to keep us down amongst the bottom teams so he can flex his muscles and say he saved us again. When it shouldn't really be like that. Games like West Ham and Southampton should be yielding 6 points not just 1 between them.

The point being is that as the club themselves are not pressing Dyche for much, it is just a case of 'staying up' and getting to BM in the PL.

That is a terrible state of affairs for our club. What a waste of a season. What does that say to everyone going to the match? "It doesn't matter if we didn't win" So long as we get enough points to stay up. It makes my blood boil.

While I agree with you, the highlighted part has not changed and therefore the expectations have not changed.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Benitez was dealt different cards to Dyche? would say he had a worse hand.

Then you'd be wrong mate I'm afraid.

I mean, one come in the summer. Joining a team that wasn't near relegation. One come in 30th Jan was it with us favourites to go down.

Keeping us up give him a lot of credit in the bank.

Then shall we start on the sales, or the point deductions?

Navigating that added some more credit there.

One had the likes of Richarlison, Gordon and Iwobi too. Rodriguez, too. Did we also need to sell Digne, or was that because of Benitez?

Even if we just had a fit Richarlison in this team I'd be more criticial on Dyche too.

 

[Nymzee]

Then you'd be wrong mate I'm afraid.

I mean, one come in the summer. Joining a team that wasn't near relegation. One come in 30th Jan was it with us favourites to go down.

Keeping us up give him a lot of credit in the bank.

Then shall we start on the sales, or the point deductions?

Navigating that added some more credit there.

One had the likes of Richarlison, Gordon and Iwobi too. Rodriguez, too. Did we also need to sell Digne, or was that because of Benitez?

Even if we just had a fit Richarlison in this team I'd be more criticial on Dyche too.

But I'm talking about this season.

No points deductions right now, we had money to spend, Benitez got nothing but Gray and a couple of freebies.

Not arsed about credit in the bank let's just review people for what they're currently doing.

 

[pfim]

Benitez was dealt different cards to Dyche? would say he had a worse hand.

Ehh, what?

 

[Davideeyore]

We have them spells. I remember a few weeks before Dyche;

• "Everton haven't won a match in 81 days of football in any competition. Every other club in the top 6 tiers of English football has won a match since then"

^ After that tweet, it went on even longer - we got beat to Southampton (H) and West Ham (A).

This Everton team just seem susceptible to really bad runs - like a lot of relegation fodder teams. We also have had some good runs under Dyche, but all people go on about is that one terrible run.

Think about it, if you felt Dyche did well last season given circumstances to the point that he deserved this season - what's changed? I mean we're all entitled to change our opinions but you wanted him sacked after 1 game this season

Also disagree about putting off until tomorrow what they can do today. New owners and limbo mate - part of the problems we've had for years now. Someone doesn't come in as a manager until the new owners are in.

I just want to respond to two things really.

Both are the same outcome. You question in a prev post about his spending, as it's low, as a lot of Dychettes have pointed out. You've also asked what's changed?

My answer is the same for both it's that the team we have, regardless of spend, is underperforming. Why? Who knows but it's Dyche's job as manager/coach to get them better on the pitch and that team we have is capable of doing far better than the results are showing. There has been no progression from the team that ended last season. It's almost a reset to being relegation candidates. When the reality is this team should be nowhere near the bottom end.

I won't go as far as saying we should be challenging Europe although having won games we should have won we would be much higher up. Instead, we're not winning. We have 2 wins in 11. 7 wins this calender year. 7 wins since mid December. 1 away win since mid December. And the football is horrific most of the time. We're so blessed we've got Dyche.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But I'm talking about this season.

No points deductions right now, we had money to spend, Benitez got nothing but Gray and a couple of freebies.

Not arsed about credit in the bank let's just review people for what they're currently doing.

Well there's plenty of other examples there mate.

One tookover in the summer a team with better players, who'd just finished a season with 59 points.

The other come in January 30th with a team sat 19th like.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I just want to respond to two things really.

Both are the same outcome. You question in a prev post about his spending, as it's low, as a lot of Dychettes have pointed out. You've also asked what's changed?

My answer is the same for both it's that the team we have, regardless of spend, is underperforming. Why? Who knows but it's Dyche's job as manager/coach to get them better on the pitch and that team we have is capable of doing far better than the results are showing. There has been no progression from the team that ended last season. It's almost a reset to being relegation candidates. When the reality is this team should be nowhere near the bottom end.

I won't go as far as saying we should be challenging Europe although having won games we should have won we would be much higher up. Instead, we're not winning. We have 2 wins in 11. 7 wins this calender year. 7 wins since mid December. 1 away win since mid December. And the football is horrific most of the time. We're so blessed we've got Dyche.

Why did we expect anything other than a reset though? We didn't invest enough in the team did we? Why anything other than what we've had for 3/4 years before it? Because of Sean Dyche?

Maybe it's just we're crap, as the results have shown us for years now.

Maybe we'll only improve beyond a 13th-17th place scrap when we can sign better footballers.

Or maybe there's a manager out there who can come in, now, while the club are in limbo and have us climb as high as where Carlo Ancelotti had us. 10th.

I suspect it's a longer term picture though - new owners, money, and a new manager.

 

[pfim]

Maybe it's just we're crap, as the results have shown us for years now.

Maybe we'll only improve beyond a 13th-17th place scrap when we can sign better footballers.

Or maybe there's a manager out there who can come in, now, while the club are in limbo and have us climb as high as where Carlo Ancelotti had us. 10th.

I suspect it's a longer term picture though - new owners, money, and a new manager.

I get that people are impatient, but time hasn't changed our circumstances. We're still broke with an absentee owner. Lack of funds, leadership, vision. Nothing changes until that changes.