2024/25 Sean Dyche

[milks]

We aren't now? The whole 777 thing was for them to pay the running costs every month, we have been pretty much running at cost for the past 18 months, or at least since we knew we were in trouble.

Plus the new sponsors coming in, the naming rights for the stadium, the balancing of the books through the takeover, we are financially stable now.

That will be next season's revenue and won't prevent any potential PSR breaches if the club spends £X more that it makes before the end of this season.

We're not quite out of the woods yet.

 

[Bryan+]

I agree. Defo a change of gear.

Whether that's the shot across the bow for Dyche or the fans and media being steadied for a definite replacement or not is the only doubt.

I tend to think Dyche will get the Villa game and if we do well there he'll be ok and get to take some very winnable games on following that.

His fortune rests on getting McNeil and Garner back on the pitch. It should also rest on who these owners get through the door in terms of players, but that looks remote right now.

He will get until the end of the season Dave, he won’t get the boot - I can’t guarantee that though. Thelwell and Chong will have sung his praises before they come through the door and I can understand that, there is nothing in the press about them swinging that axe and it’s more so “they are happy with him”. I think.. if they attend a few games and see and hear the atmosphere and sentiment they may change their mind, some Everton Dar will give them an earful. I CAN guarantee that.

Roma aren’t exactly incredibly good, but once they sit down and hear how unhappy the fans are - that will 100% change.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It’s very clear there is a brief this week, Boyland, athletic, SSN and the Echo all had whispers to but a bit of pressure on Dyche - all in the same week, practically on the same day wasn’t it? Monday.

The axe is being sharpened but it’s not ready to chop just yet IMO.

I agree. Defo a change of gear.

Whether that's the shot across the bow for Dyche or the fans and media being steadied for a definite replacement or not is the only doubt.

I tend to think Dyche will get the Villa game and if we do well there he'll be ok and get to take some very winnable games on following that.

His fortune rests on getting McNeil and Garner back on the pitch. It should also rest on who these owners get through the door in terms of players, but that looks remote right now.

Who'd brief that, and to what benefit?

I think they just sense/see which way the wind is blowing, rather than any orchestrated effort.

I've been a massive advocate of the job Dyche has done, but even I'm saying on here after Forest results are what they are, and thinking interim feel manager isn't helping.

I thought he'd get sacked if we got beat against Bournemouth. I'm pretty certain he will be if we get beat against Villa.

 

[Number_25]

Who'd brief that, and to what benefit?

I think they just sense/see which way the wind is blowing, rather than any orchestrated effort.

I've been a massive advocate of the job Dyche has done, but even I'm saying on here after Forest results are what they are, and thinking interim feel manager isn't helping.

I thought he'd get sacked if we got beat against Bournemouth. I'm pretty certain he will be if we get beat against Villa.

I am horribly conflicted about all of it.

He has done a miraculous job since he came, but some of the performances (disregarding results here) have been abysmal.

I enjoy watching us fight, but there's no plan B. It's all one dimensional.

 

[Toffeelover]

Who'd brief that, and to what benefit?

I think they just sense/see which way the wind is blowing, rather than any orchestrated effort.

I've been a massive advocate of the job Dyche has done, but even I'm saying on here after Forest results are what they are, and thinking interim feel manager isn't helping.

I thought he'd get sacked if we got beat against Bournemouth. I'm pretty certain he will be if we get beat against Villa.

What about the Posh game ?

 

[Toffe3m4n]

I am horribly conflicted about all of it.

He has done a miraculous job since he came, but some of the performances (disregarding results here) have been abysmal.

I enjoy watching us fight, but there's no plan B. It's all one dimensional.

He's never had a 'Plan B' since he's been here, which is arguably his biggest flaw as a football manager.

 

[Rich1878]

He's never had a 'Plan B' since he's been here, which is arguably his biggest flaw as a football manager.

The only plan B which he has is on his ipod

 

[hippopotamus]

I am horribly conflicted about all of it.

He has done a miraculous job since he came, but some of the performances (disregarding results here) have been abysmal.

I enjoy watching us fight, but there's no plan B. It's all one dimensional.

It's amazing that people are still repeating this in a non-sarcastic way.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I am horribly conflicted about all of it.

He has done a miraculous job since he came, but some of the performances (disregarding results here) have been abysmal.

I enjoy watching us fight, but there's no plan B. It's all one dimensional.

Recruitment - some pace out side, would help a great deal and could potentially get us over the line. We defend well but we can't bridge defence to attack and there's zero counter attacks. Scoring from set pieces papered over the cracks last season. If we don't score from a set piece, chances are we aren't going to. It's appalling to watch.

Nobody should have any loyalty or agenda to any Everton manager - as he says, he's just a custodian and one that leaves no matter what in a few months.

 

[davek]

Who'd brief that, and to what benefit?

I think they just sense/see which way the wind is blowing, rather than any orchestrated effort.

I've been a massive advocate of the job Dyche has done, but even I'm saying on here after Forest results are what they are, and thinking interim feel manager isn't helping.

I thought he'd get sacked if we got beat against Bournemouth. I'm pretty certain he will be if we get beat against Villa.

It wont have been briefed with Everton fans in mind. But TFG will want to make sure they dont look like completely loose cannons in sacking a manager whose competence they were reasonably happy about prior to the Forest and Bournemouth results (and of course they know that their Roma dismissals have them down as trigger happy).

They'll be looking to gradually get the media onside with a near future Dyche sacking is my guess.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It's amazing that people are still repeating this in a non-sarcastic way.

To be fair hippo, you, like I, felt it was inevitable we were down. He kept us up.

If after 2 successive seasons of going to the wire, you was told we'd be deducted the points we were and had +net spend in each window you'd have wrote us off as down last season too.

So he has done a tremendous job. This season its fallen apart. It happens with managers/football - it doesn't negate what he did prior.

 

[Bryan+]

Who'd brief that, and to what benefit?

I think they just sense/see which way the wind is blowing, rather than any orchestrated effort.

I've been a massive advocate of the job Dyche has done, but even I'm saying on here after Forest results are what they are, and thinking interim feel manager isn't helping.

I thought he'd get sacked if we got beat against Bournemouth. I'm pretty certain he will be if we get beat against Villa.

Prentice.

 

[HSWR]

That will be next season's revenue and won't prevent any potential PSR breaches if the club spends £X more that it makes before the end of this season.

We're not quite out of the woods yet.

Yeah but since the club got wind of the punishment things have ran tightly , hence the lack of investment in anything really. The previous breach was a combination of the stadium and player trading and both the stadium and the player front have been rectified forcefully since then. There isn't a proverbial black hole at the club sucking the money out, there was under kenwright but our issues mainly came from a dodgy owner , a European war and poor transfer policy running player trading at a loss.

 

[HSWR]

That will be next season's revenue and won't prevent any potential PSR breaches if the club spends £X more that it makes before the end of this season.

We're not quite out of the woods yet.

Yeah but since the club got wind of the punishment things have ran tightly , hence the lack of investment in anything really. The previous breach was a combination of the stadium and player trading and both the stadium and the player front have been rectified forcefully since then. There isn't a proverbial black hole at the club sucking the money out, there was under kenwright but our issues mainly came from a dodgy owner , a European war and poor transfer policy running

 

[blueblue]

I've been thinking about this a lot since the Bournemouth game. Originally I believed that match was Dyches last chance. He lost it and it was a poor display.

However I'm starting to think that if we could just provide Dyche with a couple new players, then I believe he will keep us up. And if he finishes the season more stylishly and gets up the xg and goals while keeping the xg against as it is then he could still lead us forward.

When thinking of alternatives to him, Moyes is by far the safest option as he knows the club, will have been watching all Everton games so will know their strengths and weaknesses and has a very strong track record and is perhaps an upgrade on Dyche in that he would do better in the easier games that Dyche tends to struggle in. My issue with Moyes is the timing. I still think his sacking from West Ham is relatively fresh and I'm not sure we will get the best version of Moyes right now, he's getting a bit older too, is the appetite really there now for a relegation scrap? Maybe but not guaranteed.

Potter is the other option, but the more I think about him, how good exactly is he? When he left Brighton they seemed to improve so was he actually holding them back? He was poor at Chelsea too and did he really do much at Swansea? Is he the right character for a tough job like ours? I'm not sure, it's a big risk really. If he was to come in and lose a few would it all get too much for him?

I think keeping Dyche would be the safest option but he needs to be backed strongly in this window in the exact areas that we need. If you remember right we actually look a lot more attractive to watch when irigboenum was playing but that players lack of defensive awareness put paid to that idea. It's not as though Dyche isn't capable of better football, he's just fearful of how with what's available it's a less efficient practice to use.

He does clearly have his faults Dyche, the stats are damning but crucially he is still in 16th in the league with a game in hand. He probably is the safest bet but the squad drastically needs improvement, I'm talking 3 or 4 ready to go players in the door. The right wing is not good enough, neither option is helping the team at all. The strikers need service. A more productive left back could be beneficial.

I think this is where I am at the moment.

I originally thought he has to go, but I actually think if given better resources he's the safest bet. But at the same time the owners need to give him the carrot of saying if you succeed and the signs are promising then you could earn a new contract. Because for a manager to stay who knows he will be sacked is also a massive negative as subconsciously you won't get the best out of them.

I understand what you are saying but I can't really say I agree.

I think it is clear that TFG did not want to make any managerial decision until the summer but I think results are forcing their hand.

Also, I think the managers insistence on playing the same formation week after week , isolating players like O Brien completely is not the best use of the players available.

Certainly the fans have had enough and that is a factor.

I have changed my mind about him and now want him gone.
I think he is on a game by game basis from now on. I was supportive of him previously and still believe he did excellent work in the previous two seasons.

For whatever reason I think we are playing worse this season than at any time since he arrived and we have not even lost players.

I saw a report earlier we might try to get Iraola in the summer and I am not sure we will be able to get someone decent to cover for the next five months and that may keep Dyche in situ for a little while unless he can get some results quickly.