Giraffe_Baker
Player Valuation: £950k
Ok. We were talking about the kick off routine that both us and Brighton do. City do it too.
We're talking about what it means to fans
Both city and Brighton dominate possession
We can't wait to get rid of it and it's frustrating
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £10m
Yeah, hopefully comes in for anything we sell.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Who says they won’t be played though?
I know people want to see him slap down an 11 based on new signings and whichever 17 year olds are in the academy at the moment but frankly no manager in world football does this as immediately and consistently as the fans want. Just because we lost the first two games still doesn’t make it a sensible thing to do. Lindstrom still needed an U21 game after Brighton just to get upto a level of fitness that still wasn’t really that great against a league 2 team yet there’s people splitting their spleen he wasn’t starting v Brighton.
We have to stop looking at games and lineups in isolation and focus on the bigger picture and bigger objectives for the club which were probably something like this when Dyche took over:
Stay up in the immediate season (22/23 - not the Luton season!!)
Come back into compliance with PS&R (and survive any penalties)
Decrease the wage bill of the squad
Increase the squad value
Reduce net spend
Improve league position
Arrive at new stadium as a PL team
This was the team when Dyche took over:
Pickford
Coleman Mina Tarkowski Coady Mykolenko
Gueye Onana
Iwobi Calvert Lewin Gray
it wasnt as though he inherited a crop of exciting young attacking players and has completely sidelined them. Gordon, Simms and Cannon were sold for FFP.
Despite that though we’ve seen Mina Coady Godfrey out the door for Branthwaite and OBrien to come into the squad.
The midfield 4 is now Ireogbunam Garner Mangala (hopefully) and Gueye after Onana was developed and sold for big money.
Gray and Iwobi have left and we’ve bought Ndiaye Lindstrom Chermiti Beto. Maupay is probably on his way out.
Simms got some game time before he was sold, Chermiti had started games for us, Armstrong and Dixon have seen first team debuts, Iroegbunam is playing.
He hasn’t been here five years it’s been 18 months. The improvement in points last season, culture, professionalism, and consistency was built on us getting the most out of the core of the squad of players. Pickford Branthwaite Tarkowski Mykolenko Garner Gueye Doucoure McNeil all probably played some of their best football that they have for us. It’s based on them being fit, available, confident, and consistency in selection.
Playing players who are not fit, playing teenagers who aren’t ready, chopping and changing line ups every week, are not things a manager thinking long term should be doing and they’re not the things that improved us last season.
Hopefully we can properly integrate Ndiaye O’Brien Lindstrom Ireogbunam Mangala into the team this season, hopefully we can also see more of Chermiti and Patterson if they get themselves fit. If they follow what we’ve seen with Branthwaite Garner Onana then this should bode well for us. Hopefully we can see if Armstrong and Dixon can step up to become squad players and get more minutes in the first team. If we do that we’ll finish the season in mid table and every single objective the club would have had for Dyche will have been more or less met.
I get annoyed as much as anyone seeing Michael Keane and Young in line ups, and seeing poor results but the bigger picture is more important than knee jerk reactions to lineups in certain games, and Dyche has looked after the bigger picture at this club.
If we are taken over and we make it into the new stadium as a PL team it will have been job done for Dyche in stabilising the club and giving us a platform for a new owner to take us forward. That is a far better reality than the one where we went down in May 2023 into administration and find ourselves in the championship with zero assets to our name on or off the pitch.
he doesn’t help with his subs/tactics/
favourites
setting up to 0-0
he is what he is tho
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
Pretty much everything you're saying was exactly what we all said with Moyes. Including the stadium bit TBH (not the same stadium of course). Hopefully it works out this time. It's pretty insane that the standard for "success" you are outlining is precisely what we had with Moyes and most people were not happy with that. Now we're *hoping* to get back to Moyes level. Pretty amazing. I don't know about you but if we're all still saying the same thing in another twenty years ... maybe it's time for a rethink?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
It’s been a horrible mixture of incompetence, poor timing, and bad luck that has wreaked havoc on Everton for most of the last 30 years.
If any one variable changes we probably would have had some success
Rooney arriving earlier or later than he did into a good team under Moyes/ 4th being an automatic CL spot as it is now/ not having Jagielka Arteta Yakubu crocked for the cup final
Lacina Traore not pulling his hamstring on his debut in Martinez’s first season, Kone not doing his cruciate ligament, Martinez not dropping McCarthy for Palace, perhaps we get top 4
Moshiri giving his millions to virtually anyone other than Koeman and Walsh. FFP not coming in as soon as we get a billionaire owner. A war in Ukraine as soon as we have a backer with ties to Russia.
In a marginally different world Rooney comes into a team that’s top 6 under Moyes, has had some form of European football consistently, qualifies for the CL in 4th, just as we are taken over by Moshiri and Usmanov who give Moyes a war chest with no FFP restrictions, all before City even rose to prominence. We’d have been a powerhouse, but alas we have to just try and progress with the reality of where we are now.
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £60m
Until he and Kev come to the realization that our fullback situation needs a complete revamp, we will be a bit of an ish show. Sure we can improve on players like McNeil, Harrison and Doucore. That’s why we brought in Ndiaye and Lindstrom. If your fullbacks cannot be trusted to get forward, constantly get beat for pace and get beat to the byline frequently, your midfielders have to do that much more work to cover for them and it will make things much more difficult for us going forward. I would like to think Young’s days are numbered and Dixon will be given more opportunities. We have to do something.
I hope we aren't thinking of bringing Sean Dyche in as manager
His own thread?! Seriously!?
His own thread?! Seriously!?
Ancelotti gave starting debuts to James, Doucoure, and Allan in his first game away to spurs. won 1-0
Dear Sean
You bought players to play on the wing, at center back and at 10. All areas that need strengthening. So play them.
Dont put Young ahead of Dixon.
Try going after a game every now and then.
Change formations when 4-5-1 is not working or when youre 2 down.
Take some responsibility in interviews.
Ask Kevin to get some full backs and when you have them, let them over lap with the wingers.
please and thankyou
You bought players to play on the wing, at center back and at 10. All areas that need strengthening. So play them.
Dont put Young ahead of Dixon.
Try going after a game every now and then.
Change formations when 4-5-1 is not working or when youre 2 down.
Take some responsibility in interviews.
Ask Kevin to get some full backs and when you have them, let them over lap with the wingers.
please and thankyou
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Bit of a different calibre than a teenage right back who hadn’t played a single senior minute for us, a CB who had only just come through the door, and a player who didn't play much last season and still didn’t look fully fit against Doncaster.
I'm talking about O'Brien, Ndiaye and Lindstrom. 23,24, and 24. Plenty of experience coming from Lyon, Marselles and Napoli
and each likely better than Keane, Doucoure, and McNeill or Harrison.
I've a feeling Ancelotti would have started all 3 straight away v BHA.
None of the 3 Ancelotti started had any PL experience.
If they are looking off it or unfit, then sub them out for the players they were bought to replace.
Hey presto, they have more fitness and PL experience.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Apart from Doucoure at Watford? James was one of the best number 10s in the world and Allan had played CL football at Napoli and was a Brazilian international. All of them had arrived earlier in the pre season too.
Lindstrom needed an U21 game just to get fit enough to still look rusty against a league 2 side. He looks nowhere near ready to start a PL game yet, I’m sure he will do in time but I don’t see what the massive issue is, he was clearly miles behind where he needed to be with his fitness.
O’Brien was just in the door, he might not have even been fully familiar with all the set piece drills yet or with how the line pushes up and drops off and who makes those calls between the defenders and keeper. I’m sure he’ll displace Keane this season as Branthwaite did last season once fit.
All these players will more than likely end up being first team players for the vast majority of the season and moving forward beyond that. It’s not Armageddon because they didn’t start exactly when some fans wanted them to.
haha, you're having a laugh if you think Dyche would ever start a player with James's fitness levels.
You got me, Doucoure at watford in the PL. Still wouldnt start him.
and he doesnt start Allan either.