2024/25 Sean Dyche

[Furey1878]

No from a cash flow point of view it is much more palatable than a sacking and lump sum payment.

I get the cash flow thing, but on Everton's books for PSR it would be an immediate -10 mil.

10 mil to a club in Everton's financial mess could well be the difference in being able to sign someone next summer or being in breach of PSR for this season.

I'm not saying Dyche is unsackable btw. I can no longer begrudge anyone for wanting him gone and if say after 10 games we still look like relegation candidates then the club will have to make a decision despite our finances.

 

[maccavennie]

Was a quote from the echo in March 2023 (6 weeks after he signed for us as was being criticised already for his subs use).

Thanks mate. EVERYONE needs to read that as that is a massive red flag against any manager.

 

[jazzy]

I get the cash flow thing, but on Everton's books for PSR it would be an immediate -10 mil.

10 mil to a club in Everton's financial mess could well be the difference in being able to sign someone next summer or being in breach of PSR for this season.

I'm not saying Dyche is unsackable btw. I can no longer begrudge anyone for wanting him gone and if say after 10 games we still look like relegation candidates then the club will have to make a decision despite our finances.

I'm sure a sale of Doucoure to the Saudis might cover that.

You are probably right the inertia and lack of leadership at the club is what is keeping Dyche in a job but my point is , if there is a will to do something there is always a way to achieving it.

 

[Yarrgh]

Oh I agree. My original post said if we got relegated and decided to rip the squad apart.

Bringing in Potter without a pre season to indoctrinate his ideas would not be wise.

If he was available and we were safe in the table, then I would go for him then if that was the plan. The longer he has without any pressure, the better the chance he has. Hell we might even see some football break out before the end of the season!

I am neither in the pro or anti-Potter camps. I am however in the camp that wants to see more engaging football and having a manager who has a go at devising tactics to compete with anyone we play with which alas is not what we have now as far as I can see.

 

[Toffeelover]

because it’s was those to

But if those subs had not been do you think the team could have held that together better ?

 

[NathDogg]

Fella broke me with his horrific in game management and subs Saturday. To be up two nil on 87 and lose is an utter travesty! The fact he claimed he could see it coming and did very little beyond his prepared subs is exasperating. They made FIVE subs you have to help the team !!! He is limited and outdated for me theres a reason we start every season badly he prioritises fitnesss over tactics and the opposition we play is poor. We have come into this season with several injuries. Then you turn to his stubbornness on certain players like Doucoure and Keane and I think despite some obvious weaknesses at full back, the squad is actually better than he allows it to be. He's just a getting by manager and if you are just surviving you are sinking we cannot bank on three teams being worse every season and we cannot and I repeat cannot have this guy next season.

In in your boat mate and feel exactly the same.

Dyche did have credit for last season with all the deductions, even though it was potentially more down to the three terrible sides who went down more than anything he did, but he has totally used that up already, with the horrific team selections, criminal game management and unhinged comments post match laying into fans and players but taking zero accountability this season, which means I’m done with him.

I don’t think we have the means or the will currently at the club to sack him, which demonstrates how badly we have been ran, but whatever happens, stay up or go down with Dyche, he simply cannot be Everton manager going into next season, whatever league we’re in.

 

[degsy]

He’s been operating under incredibly difficult circumstances throughout his time here I’d certainly agree with that . The blokes stubbornness is more than a little hard to take sometimes , I also just wish he’d have a think about his comments immediately post match because it’s not helped him .

It's a sliding scale sort of thing between...
Having the courage of your own convictions - to - pig headed stubbornness...and his tracking needs readjusting

 

[Neiler]

I get the cash flow thing, but on Everton's books for PSR it would be an immediate -10 mil.

10 mil to a club in Everton's financial mess could well be the difference in being able to sign someone next summer or being in breach of PSR for this season.

I'm not saying Dyche is unsackable btw. I can no longer begrudge anyone for wanting him gone and if say after 10 games we still look like relegation candidates then the club will have to make a decision despite our finances.

Also the coaching staff compensation and the severance for a manager who may be in demand but at another club. Its a costly venture and to be honest it isn't happening - believe the club missed out on Phillips because as it couldn't get scrape together £6 mill it would take to finalise the deal - a small loan fee/ and a share of his City wages mostly - that City were prepared to meet us on.

Its a waste of time even discussing it - the only way he's leaving here before his contract runs down is if he does a Lampard and we are hopeless cause come the end on January and its cheaper to sack then loose 100 mill if we were relegated.

The club has budgeted this season for 15th - 17th, so that tells you what the clubs expectation is for the season and prob the expected performance objectives set - anything above that is a bonus and additional revenue.

 

[billyblue80]

He doesn’t believe subs are effective. And it ultimately makes no difference what the other team does tactically or how many subs they make.

“If the team is operating in the manner that I think is right, other than fatigue or injury of course, then I don’t tinker too much. My stats and the facts on that have paid me back. I believe in a way of working and unless someone is particularly off-colour, or there might be an injury reason, or just a fatigue reason, I often leave the side alone if I think it is operating in the right way”


This is a quote from him last August when we also started crap;
“I could have taken the whole team off at half time”
yet at half time, he made 1 sub.

Nuts when another team can make five subs and have fresh legs against our tired and aging legs

 

[roy vernon]

Has any journalist asked him why he thinks he has such an awful record in August?

Be interesting to hear his view on why it could be.

I wonder could it possibly be because the players are exhausted from his pre season?

 

[Raino85]

That's what a proper journalist would do. A proper journalist would also ask why no tactical work is done in pre season up until 2 games to go before the season starts.

There's no method to what he does where he can point and say "see, it works".

1 gaffer day is embarrassing, doing 2 I think is pathetic, especially if the 2nd one related to any injuries that were picked up.

First question will be 'did you manage to get Oasis tickets Sean'

The thing is, with sports science, nutrition being huge, massive physio teams and everything else introduced to the game in the las 10 years. Every single team is very very fit. He hasn't changed his pre season schedule for 10 years.

Its like managers in 1998 still using late 80s techniques of bin bags & running up sand dunes while Arsene Wenger was using lifestyle and nutrition.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I wonder could it possibly be because the players are exhausted from his pre season?

I didn't expect a result against Brighton or Spurs tbf.

But Bournemouth was horrendous.

Last seasons start was worse than this too.

So there's got to be questions asked of a very familiar trait to the manager.

 

[Raino85]

It's a sliding scale sort of thing between...
Having the courage of your own convictions - to - pig headed stubbornness...and his tracking needs readjusting

The man believes his most innovative move recently was changing out of a suit into a trackie.

 

[John from Bootle]

He hasn't changed his pre season schedule for 10 years.

Is this true?

 

[Simon Buttle]

Is this true?

His teams are always terrible in August and there is a quote from Tarkowski about Burnley pre seasons. It seems its been the same thing he does year in year out. There are a few more detail stats and there does appear to be a bit of a pattern with it.