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2024/25 Sean Dyche

Neiler said:
None of that makes sense mate - there is no need for relegation hyperbole, we are three games into the season - there are 105 points still to be earned and competed for - no point coming up with scenarios that relegation is somehow a forgone conclusion - we were dead and buried in Feb 23 with Demari Gray up front and the manager enabled survival. You wouldn't be putting your money down on a binary bet on staying up or going down at the moment would you.

As we know and im sure all accept - where you finish in the league there is a direct correlation on what you spend both on wages and fees - there are multiple tables illustrating it - hes been at clubs including our own with negative net spends and little budget to spend on wages - we all know that. In that context in a year and half here and the adversity he faced and at Burnley via Europe for decade hes punched weigh above what resources hes been allowed. All the evidance is there.

Your judgement isnt coloured by seeing Everton win - ive seen it to - i can tell you what those times weren't governed by - chopping and changing the manager every six months - its not our way. Its only creeped in here under Moshri, and fans have been conditioned in to a chop and change culture of adrenaline rushes to change things.

The chest thumping about success and ambition around expectations is ridiculous as far as im concerned. Here's why, you get nothing for nothing, why do Everton deserve to be any better then we are at the moment, we've ran the club into the ground, we're the worst run club in the league, we have no money, huge debts and have had all that for years - why do we deserve to be any where else then where we are? - we dont, we deserve to be bsol;utley where we have been in the last three seasons for the holistic the performance of the entire club. Talking about having a higher ambition and standards based on our history is horse manure - you have to earn it - the whole club not just the footballing Dept. We dont deserve to be anywahere then we are on the whole club performance and actually lucky to be in the league really.

The end point of achieving ambition, is recovering the club, that is built on consistency and stability - there has to be a plan - we are seeing that evolution with the likes of Tim and Ndaiye come in and the other new players - we saw it for 87 mins on Saturday the transition. That recovery is a process, it takes work, it takes adversity and it takes time. Thumping your chest and saying you have ambition wont just make it happen and do it for you.
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I agree with you on your point that chopping and changing managers is not the answer. Furthermore I believe the manager -go-round has contributed in no small measure to our problems. However my take on it is not that we have sacked too many managers but that we have hired too many poor managers who needed sacking. The way to stop the hire and fire culture is to stop giving jobs to people like, Benitez, Fat Sam and Sean Dyche.
 
Caolam said:
I agree with you on your point that chopping and changing managers is not the answer. Furthermore I believe the manager -go-round has contributed in no small measure to our problems. However my take on it is not that we have sacked too many managers but that we have hired too many poor managers who needed sacking. The way to stop the hire and fire culture is to stop giving jobs to people like, Benitez, Fat Sam and Sean Dyche.
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While I clearly disagree with you on Dyche.

This is the illogical peice for me - let’s sack this manager - ok?

What the plan?

Let’s let the same people who made a bags of picking the last 7 managers pick another one.

Not great is it.

What are people expecting to be different this time.

It’s illogical.
 
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Lob said:
I see the red echo are having a Dyche cheerleader day today. At least 4 articles about backing him, not being his fault and the best man for everton and the usual complete and utter bollox. Must have been paid a few bob. Not that many blues even visit that crap site any more mind.
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Not surprise after what Michael ball said about him in his article
 
Neiler said:
While I clearly disagree with you on Dyche.

This is the illogical peice for me - let’s sack this manager - ok?

What the plan?

Let’s let the same people who made a bags of picking the last 7 managers pick another one.

Not great is it.

What are people expecting to be different this time.

It’s illogical.
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Its illogical to retain a manager who cant win football games.

And that, currently, is what we have.
 
Neiler said:
While I clearly disagree with you on Dyche.

This is the illogical peice for me - let’s sack this manager - ok?

What the plan?

Let’s let the same people who made a bags of picking the last 7 managers pick another one.

Not great is it.

What are people expecting to be different this time.

It’s illogical.
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We will agree to disagree over Sean Dyche, hopefully I am in the wrong on this and he galvanises the team and we can start winning games. No matter what we disagree on we all want the same thing.
 


Caolam said:
We will agree to disagree over Sean Dyche, hopefully I am in the wrong on this and he galvanises the team and we can start winning games. No matter what we disagree on we all want the same thing.
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Unfortunately he’s not a winner, his football is negative, game management is crap, substitutions (if made) are shocking, he can’t see when players are bollocksed and takes off the wrong players. It won’t be long until Ndyiae’s flair and creativity has been coached out of him and is turned into another player who is boo’d out of Goodison.
 
I think it’s all moot. I was on the fence with SD last year, I’m now on the other unfavourable side hanging off it, due to the start to the season, the team selections and the lack of game management. His time will come if keeps this up, just not now as there’s no hunger in Everton to sack him due to board disinterest in doing so.
 
Neiler said:
While I clearly disagree with you on Dyche.

This is the illogical peice for me - let’s sack this manager - ok?

What the plan?

Let’s let the same people who made a bags of picking the last 7 managers pick another one.

Not great is it.

What are people expecting to be different this time.

It’s illogical.
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The same people??
Kenwright is no longer with us.
Moshiri seems to be completely hands off.
DBB and the board are completely gone.

I'm not sure how much faith to have in Thelwell but this time, for the first time ever, I'd imagine the head coach position would be decided by the director of football.

Which is one of the reasons I wouldn't want moyes back.
 
Lob said:
I see the red echo are having a Dyche cheerleader day today. At least 4 articles about backing him, not being his fault and the best man for everton and the usual complete and utter bollox. Must have been paid a few bob. Not that many blues even visit that crap site any more mind.
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Chris beesley probably puts flowers on kenwright’s grave every day and joe Thomas is no evertonian, typical [Poor language removed] scared to criticise the club, same as lot of the fans the echo have no F-ing ambition happy to survive. I hate Liverpool with a passion, put their journalists would have got rid of kenwright inside 10yrs not had him for 25yrs and protected by the likes of prentice
Makes me blood boil, listening to some Everton journalists
 

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