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2024/25 Sean Dyche

Eggs said:
….as a Dyche supporter I thought yesterday was quite grim.

He largely picked the side most wanted, bringing Branthwaite back immediately for Keane whilst handing starts to Ndiaye and Lindstrom. Fans continue to not like Young but he justified his selection.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I think Dyche’s biggest problem is McNeil’s transition to no10 because it’s disrupted the CM axis of Doucoure/Garner/Onana (Garner) that worked well for him last season. He has options, but he’s not found the right combination/blend, including wide areas.

The times in that first half Young was given possession from the back and literally had nobody to give it to. Lack of partnerships and blend. Dyche has to get it right, he can’t survive on last seasons achievements.
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Garner and Mangala for me in the middle should be tried.

It might be worth trying Lindstrom at 10 and McNeill coming in from the right hand side. Would mean a lack of width but Lindstrom is coming inside anyway so wouldn’t be much change.
 
Cels said:
Unless we are yo-yoing in and out of the bottom four when the new owener/s come in, I'd like to see Sean Dyche given until the end of the season.
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I think this is the reality of this season. With Dyche's and Thelwell's contracts up in the summer, I’d reckon the new owners will keep them both provided there is no imminent risk of relegation and use the time to sound out their successors in the meantime.

Having said that, if we’d have lost yesterday I think fan opinion/reaction would have made his job almost untenable.
 
Lindsstrom and Ndiaye starting now, Mangala starting, Iroegbunam started games at the start of the season. Not bad for the manager who would apparently never play the new signings he’d been given. It’s almost as though they’ll contribute a lot to the entire season and just needed some games to get up to speed and integrated into the team rather than the first couple of games being an absolute certain predictor of the rest of the season. Keane once again benched the moment Branthwaite is fit.
 

kiss the crest said:
The reason people don't and won't change their minds is, fans can see him for exactly what he is, and that is a very limited manager who will get you 5/6 wins a season.

That 1st half yesterday was dreadful and I mean very hard on the eyes and the mind, that wasn't football, the team was totally disjointed no patterns of play, just hoof it back to the opposition, who were also bad, but better at football than us.

Goodison was flat yesterday for a reason, that being they the fans have had enough.

He could win the next 6 games on the bounce and I still want him gone
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Well he got 13 wins last season. He got Burnley into Europe too so not sure thats true about only 5/6 wins a season.

I agree we were poor in the first half yesterday. We've played well this season though and got beat. I don't really care about style of play though if it brings results. It hasn't so far this season until yesterday but it's still very early days.

I was watching Wolves in the last few minutes against Liverpool yesterday passing it around the keeper and centre backs when they needed a goal. Passing football isn't always better.

The fact that he could win 7 on the bounce and you'd still want him gone suggests to me that you're not being objective about the job he has done.
 
The Binman said:
Have you seen us play?!

Cruddy footy and being bottom، playing keane.
We dont score.many, cant keep a lead, in fairness we dont win many either. All.wont help his case really
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Yes, we're not usually a good watch. I only really care about results though when it comes to Everton.

Passing the ball out from the keeper all the time can be even more frustrating as a style of play though but I accept there can be a balance.

I agree playing Keane was ridiculous but I judge managers over results over a longer period of time. Results have been poor this season but overall I think he has done a good job here.
 
johngefc said:
Yes, we're not usually a good watch. I only really care about results though when it comes to Everton.

Passing the ball out from the keeper all the time can be even more frustrating as a style of play though but I accept there can be a balance.

I agree playing Keane was ridiculous but I judge managers over results over a longer period of time. Results have been poor this season but overall I think he has done a good job here.
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In trying circumstances, i think i agree. But he is never going to be the long term solution. I think we all accept that. Hopefully, with a seady hand, if and when the new regime come in we see better running and a more forcefull positive way forwars to success.

30 years is a long time.
 
Newcastle will be a tougher opponent obvs - I'm not confident on that one.

Then we have 5 games where we could get a result.

His win rate suggests up to 8 more points by December and the Utd game (+4 , ie. 12).

Perhaps TFG are involved by then ?
 
Saint Domingo said:
Garner and Mangala for me in the middle should be tried.

It might be worth trying Lindstrom at 10 and McNeill coming in from the right hand side. Would mean a lack of width but Lindstrom is coming inside anyway so wouldn’t be much change.
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In no lifetime, whether that be this or the next, should Mcneil be shoved out on the right.

Bad enough watching him plod up and down the left wing and it would be 10 times worse on the right.

Whilst he's actually contributing something more than a headache in the number 10 role, he'll simply have to stay there if Dyche wants to continue to play him as his goals stats and assists have improved massively.
 

The Binman said:
In trying circumstances, i think i agree. But he is never going to be the long term solution. I think we all accept that. Hopefully, with a seady hand, if and when the new regime come in we see better running and a more forcefull positive way forwars to success.

30 years is a long time.
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I don’t think anyone ever wanted him as a long term solution, or even think he should get any longer than the end of the season off he season after. He was brought in to keep us up and guide us through the sticky patch of Moshiri pulling his money, PS&R, points deductions, whilst Moshiri sold the club. Once Friedkin is in he’ll pick his own manager whether it’s the end of the season or sooner. The job now is all about just getting us enough points to derisk any need for a rushed decision. The win yesterday helped in that respect. He’s on the home straight now of seeing us over the line to a new owner and new stadium as a PL team with its worst financial days behind it.
 
DL100 said:
Even if we was going down under Lampard which we will never know. He hardly worked miracles. Left it down to the last game. A better manager turns that around much quicker.

I’m tired of the narrative that Dyche kept us up. He really didnt, he added nothing to our performances, if anything he made hard work of it.

Yesterday was his first victory from being behind in a game, that’s a shocking stat. Also 6th win in 25+ plus games? Another shocking stat.

Dyche offers nothing, he doesn’t coach, he has no tactics, poor player selection and not proactive during games. Just the usual tripe about basics and being fit etc.

These players aren’t that bad we have a decent first 15. A better manager gets more. We should be sat on at least 7 points now and still ok the cup.

He certainly has a better team than Benitez and Lampard had.

I really don’t understand how this idiot gets defended still.
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You're right we will never know for sure about Lampard taking us down but it certainly looked that way. He looked like a beaten man in the interviews, we were in the bottom 3 and it wasn't clear where the next win was coming from. Dyche came in under those circumstances and kept us up.

I agree that's a poor stat about not coming from behind and 6 in 25 but ultimately doesn't mean much in terms of his overall record. Managers get judged over the course of a season unless they look like they're taking you down. He's also won 5 out the last 11.

I agree he's not the most tactically progressive but again it's a results based business, if he had nothing about him we would have been relegated last season. Don't think we have that much of a better squad than under Benitez/ Lampard. We still had Richarlson, Digne, Gordon, Mina etc. Were probably a bit stronger in certain areas. Probably a bit stronger overall but not sure there's much in it.
 
It was a very poor effort first half but the manner of the win in the end in coming from behind, could be big.

The failed TFG takeover in the summer does seem to have affected everybody, including Dyche.

Now that it's very much back on, perhaps that will have a positive effect in the weeks to come.

But I don't the sulking and wallowing in pity. You'd almost think he wasn't being paid any longer listening to him recently.

I don't want to hear complaints or excuses or these thinly veiled references to us not knowing how bad things have been and the heroism required to manage the club. He is in a privileged position and earning millions.

Just get on with it and grind out results.
 

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