Sheedy on Moyes

[Eggs]

.....Moyes often quoted the risk factor when it came to playing youngsters or fringe players. He'd say, 'points are too precious to risk'. I don't agree with the approach, but it does explain why he was cautious. He was similar in his substitutions, usually going for the safe option against the wildcard. I do have some sympathy for those indicating that perhaps he did play those with real potential, but perhaps he didn't play them enough. The safe approach brought us required stability, but in hindsight not a manager who went with his gut instinct.

 

[deipnosophist]

More like the triangle of doom.

...or the Bermuda triangle. Somewhere between those three, possession was always lost.

 

[njligernj]

The point is, Moyes gave those two youths a chance. Coleman, a young who just two years prior was playing amateur football. In his first full Everton season Moyes gave the lad 40 appearences. Then Stones, January deadline day - fans expectant. We make one signing, a teenager from Barnsley for £3m. Clearly, another youngster Moyes is giving a chance.

So is it Moyes ignoring the youth setup or the youth setup just not producing the good? To say it's all Moyes in my opinion is bitter and blinkered.

I'm not sure those two examples are actually relevant to Sheeds (or anyone's) larger point about the Youth/academy. Coleman and Stones, while both young, I believe went straight into the first team squad? If not it didn't take them long to be training and playing with the first team. Aren't we talking about the actual youth teams not just "young players" in general?

He said "Roberto would learn how it works at Everton" when he refused to sell Fellaini after a derisory bid. We all fumed. What happened:
We did sell the player at the last minute for a high fee
Roberto wasn't able to sign any players until that high fee was received.
We ended the season with a negative net spend.

In other words that is how Everton works.

I don't keep a spreadsheet of the timeline of quotes and events but was that quote not in any way in regard to Baines too? I may be remembering incorrectly but I thought that quote was after a joint bid for both players and he was essentially saying "you'll have to sell both those players -- you're Everton and we're Man U." As it turned out we did NOT sell both and got a pretty great deal on the one we did sell ... so I don't know if the events 100% match up with your conclusion (although the rest is certainly true but largely irrelevant -- Roberto could have known very well what the situation was with the timeline and still made a logical decision to get top value to send a message).

I do agree with the general idea of bashing the board though ... I am always up for that.

Moyes did a great job for Everton. He is doing terribly at Man Utd so far but that doesn't mean he didn't take us from relegation fights to European fights on sod all money.

100% true ... but that doesn't mean he didn't ignore the youth setup. These are all just unrelated facts. Most dogs have four legs.

Got an email about this as well due to my real life work. It's quite funny how transparent it is.

A transparent ploy! How would you choose to describe the other 99.9% of interviews you see people in sports do where they hide their true opinions and don't say anything remotely honest or faintly interesting?

... or is everyone more comfortable with that because, message boards aside, that's how most of us live our lives so the constant lying is normal and anyone who breaks the code of lies has to be shamed?

 

[deipnosophist]

Sheedy is my all time favourite Everton player. I will deffo be buying his book.

 

[orly]

GET THIS GINGER WEAPON MOYES OUT OF OUR CLUB NOW

 

[Chang Elephant]

I do agree with the general idea of bashing the board though ... I am always up for that.

Nothing wrong with fair constructive criticism

 

[BlueAmigo]

Sheedy is my all time favourite Everton player. I will deffo be buying his book.

Probably mine too. I'm surprised by him tweeting this, or him even being on twitter at all! I guess he'd had years of players he thought ready ignored by Mr safety, and after a few ales vented it out at an opportune moment. I'll forgive him for that

 

[Bluesnapper]

Agree with that. Not the kind of thing you want an employee of the club saying. Moyes can do and say what he likes, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Hang on a minute, you are complaining on another thread that if you are to post things, via twitter or the net, the least you can do is man up and use your name.

Make your mind up.

 

[deipnosophist]

GET THIS GINGER WEAPON MOYES OUT OF OUR CLUB NOW

People might say it would cost too much to pay off his contract. But surely we could use the Arteta money!

 

[Damoefc]

Sheedys book agent, " Listen kev, we need your book to sell so much to break even, why don't we drum some interest up by lifting the lid on Moysies time at Everton.
Sheeds " ooh er, don't know about that.
Sheeds
book agent, "Look Kev, he's a dead man walking anyway and after he used your beloved club like a stepping stone, C'mon man what have you got yo lose."
Sheeds, "Only about 40 grand in sales."

 

[Walken]

Sheedys book agent, " Listen kev, we need your book to sell so much to break even, why don't we drum some interest up by lifting the lid on Moysies time at Everton.
Sheeds " ooh er, don't know about that.
Sheeds
book agent, "Look Kev, he's a dead man walking anyway and after he used your beloved club like a stepping stone, C'mon man what have you got yo lose."
Sheeds, "Only about 40 grand in sales."

perhaps someone should remind davey boy that you need to be careful how you treat people on your way up, you just might see them again on the way down

 

[Jxg]

Everything Sheedy has said is true, otherwise Moyes will be suing for slander. Did it to Rooney, didn't he?

Nice to hear that he was holding us back.

No, really. I'm glad to hear it.

Means we can do so much better over the next few years.

 

[toffee-fellaini]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26614180

 

[BoysInBlue]

Oh aye, it's all done to promote his book. Yeah, right.

Good job nobody else is criticising Moyes at the moment... oh, hang on...

The book is a massive red herring. It is convenient timing for sure, but the stories about Moyes ignoring the youth set up have been around for ages and ages.

Part of Martinez' remit when he came into the club - besides the obvious of keeping all the plates spinning, so to speak, was to improve the link between the youth team and the first team. The obvious implied subtext was that things COULD BE IMPROVED, which after 11 years of Moyes, you'd think would already be sorted out if everything was fine and dandy.

This was well documented in the transcript of Martinez meeting the fans websites late last year.

I think writing off what Sheedy has said as a publicity stunt for his book is a) inaccurate; b) disrespectful to an Everton legend still at the club and in a key role; c) ignoring that he was somebody who was responding to fans questions on Twitter; d) ignoring that what was said is based in fact; and e) is ignoring that it is no different to many other people's criticisms of Moyes both at Everton and currently at United.

I know there is a tendency from some Evertonians to not appear to be bitter towards Moyes because he stablised the club and did improve it, but I do not believe this is all something being said to disregard the good he did. Yes, we know he did a lot of good stuff. But he also suppressed a lot of stuff getting out of the club. People were afraid of him, because he basically had near total autonomy towards the end - which led to him basically taking the proverbial out of the club when it came to contract talks and basic lies about his knowledge of Man Utd's interest and offer to him, as confirmed in Ferguson's book, stated as being many months before the end of the season and at odds with Moyes own public words.

Who can forget the ultra-arrogant:

I know that if I was the Everton manager and Sir Alex had come asking for Baines and Fellaini, I would have found it very difficult to keep them.

'I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players.

‘All we can do is our job here. Roberto is in a new job and I am sure he will get to understand how Everton work. I know exactly how Everton work. I signed every player at Everton.

‘I respect Everton greatly and I don’t want to do anything that would in turn affect them.

We're long past the point of giving Moyes a dignified benefit of the doubt. He burnt his bridges in the summer and the gloves are off. They've been off for months.

 

[Tubey]

People aren't seriously writing off what Sheedy has said as a publicity stunt are they?

I mean, it could be a factor, but seriously? You'd need your head checking if you think that is the case here. I mean the guy has barely put his head above water since the 1980s - do you think he'd wait 20+ years to deliberately cause a self-publicising fuss!!!