Should Dyche be sacked?

[Papa Shango]

Proceeds to make excuses for the fat slug.

Set up like against Villa or Brentford, give the game a go. Instead - crap your pants, play favourites to play players out of position, do nothing positive.

Sorry mate, this is nonsense.

If its really that black and white to you then I am wasting my time here. No worries.

I just feel like you are trying to make up a narrative thats not there.

I made no excuses at all. I just think the issue we have isn't just one thing. We were positive today, we were just crap when it mattered. That doesnt mean I am against the set up you are saying, I just feel the end result would be the same as we missed chances and conceded when it mattered regardless.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Yes, he's a dinosaur.

 

[JLW]

The sad thing is we are probably not even looking for another manager that will only start when he gets sacked

 

[Ruairi77]

Mate playing 4-5-1 against a team that was playing 3 at the back, 5 at time was the most brain dead thing ever. Especially shunting people around to get your favourites in

All they did was weather the storm for 25 minutes, then from that point we did nothing.

There was a clear issue down the right hand side, Young couldn’t get past the halfway line so it leaves garner exposed. When he put Harrison it got worse, he was cutting in and nobody was going around the outside

Everything became congested because, again there’s no movement because of the team selection. There was no doubling up the wingbacks or trying to expose 1 of the 3 centre backs. Try to gain a player advantage in the middle of the park

The tactics were get it out wide and through a cross into the big lads. It was awful

Yup, all this.
Why he started garner on the right is beyond me.
Then in the second, DCL, Beto, and Harrison all had to sit down around the table, get out the white board and figure out what way they'd work best together, like they'd never met.
I've also noticed a lot of players refusing to receive a pass and pointing in a different direction. Not once did it look like the player was using great vision to prevent catastrophe, more fear of not knowing what to do with the ball when we had it.
It was all so so easy for Luton.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I just dont think the formation or set up is strictly why we have lost those games. Regardless of how we set up we need some urgent work on our play in the final third at each end of the pitch when it comes to taking and defending chances.

So you don't think that the change of:
Last 2 games - press more, give the opposition less time on the ball, try to go through the lines at every opportunity, play more technical players in technical positions (like on the wing/full backs/cm) and play players in their respective positions overall (Garner being a CM stands out).
Today - do nothing coherent team wise, lump it forward, no movement, put favourites back in, move your players around from their positions for no reason other than to insert the retirement club boys back in the team because "EXPERIENCE" and then when all else fails - the same thing but have two entire tall boys up front to punt it to, then blame bad luck from set pieces lol

Yeah, not on the formation or setup at all, this.

 

[DualityNSNO]

If its really that black and white to you then I am wasting my time here. No worries.

It's not, there's about 10 of us explaining to you why exactly it is not, yet you're stuck on the "nah it's just bad luck".

You're indeed wasting your time here.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The sad thing is we are probably not even looking for another manager that will only start when he gets sacked

The sad thing is, we'll wait until January, like we always do, so that the attention shifts to a new manager search, rather than squad improvements.

 

[nsno-chris]

Yup, all this.
Why he started garner on the right is beyond me.
Then in the second, DCL, Beto, and Harrison all had to sit down around the table, get out the white board and figure out what way they'd work best together, like they'd never met.
I've also noticed a lot of players refusing to receive a pass and pointing in a different direction. Not once did it look like the player was using great vision to prevent catastrophe, more fear of not knowing what to do with the ball when we had it.
It was all so so easy for Luton.

They won’t have an easier game all season

 

[Papa Shango]

It's not, there's about 10 of us explaining to you why exactly it is not, yet you're stuck on the "nah it's just bad luck".

You're indeed wasting your time here.

I havent once said it was bad luck though? What are you on about?

 

[Gilbert..]

I'm not the manager! It doesnt matter what I do.

As I said though we lost today because we did not take our chances and defending poorly when it matters, the same as we did against Fulham and Wolves and all the others (Arsenal was a bit different).

I just dont think the formation or set up is strictly why we have lost those games. Regardless of how we set up we need some urgent work on our play in the final third at each end of the pitch when it comes to taking and defending chances.

Thats basically just called management. When you've lost the first 4 home games of the season on the bounce its maybe time to manage differently. He's allowed to change things. He's the manager.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Lost 7/8 home games

 

[JLW]

The sad thing is, we'll wait until January, like we always do, so that the attention shifts to a new manager search, rather than squad improvements.

Our luck will run out one day doing this.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I havent once said it was bad luck though? What are you on about?

Yeah, not your exact words, just other pointless excuses.

This Villa stuff is nonsense though really. We beat a Villa side who played like a bunch of competition winners in a cup that they dont even care about and barely scraped through. So what? It was not a wonderful new era or a glimpse into what could have been or anything. Same as the Brighton game or the Brentford game, sometimes you just win a game by taking your chances. If you miss chances you run the risk of being caught out.

We looked no different from the last two games at the start today, until we conceded a rubbish goal. We do this often, its not about attacking intent or long ball its about taking our chances and being punished for it when we don't. Thats probably not going to change either and if you want me to slag off Dyche I will as I have big questions about our marking at set pieces and our composure in the final third. I'm not up for slagging him off about long ball though as I dont think its remotely true nor do I think its the reason we are struggling even if it was. Thats all.

Excuses for a slug of a manager.

As I said though we lost today because we did not take our chances and defending poorly when it matters, the same as we did against Fulham and Wolves and all the others (Arsenal was a bit different).

I just dont think the formation or set up is strictly why we have lost those games. Regardless of how we set up we need some urgent work on our play in the final third at each end of the pitch when it comes to taking and defending chances.

All of this is on the manager too.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Our luck will run out one day doing this.

Of course it will, but it shifts attention away from funding, it allows the board to say "we were patient" and "it was a difficult market especially given our managerial change".

 

[Armaghtoffee]

@bbcsport Dyche: “It’s a hard one to swallow. In difficult conditions today I thought we (Everton) deserved not just one but all three points. To come away with nothing is tough on the players who put a good shift in. I’m not sure if these the conditions, bad luck or the nervousness around Goodison but we will shake ourselves down and go again. It’s a competitive league with no easy games”.

Babbling.