Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)

[marty mcfly]

If you are capable of spending 75m-100m per season (Like Chelsea, City, Man Utd, Spurs, Liverpool) then over the seasons you will have grounds to make your net spend minimal as most do. Its football business....wheeling and dealing....but they are clubs that could afford that speculation to accumulate.

But they can't and don't spend that. They might for one season every decade but not per season.

They spend more than us so this is a pointless argument anyway.

 

[davek]

He is not our most successful PL manager. Everton have finished 5th in the Premier League before, in fact they have surpassed 5th place in the PL before. Martinez inherited a squad from Everton's most successful PL manager, and it has taken him 12 months for him to take the club back 10 years.

I find it bazaar that Martinez has been deemed a positive manager, and that Moyes has been deemed a negative manager. I have never seen anything more negative than the absolute tripe we have witnessed this season, in which we play with two DCMs, and just pass it from side to side in our own box all day long. This is as negative as it gets I'm afraid, far more negative than anything under Moyes. It is also dangerous, boring and ineffective.

It's quite amasing what a few complimentary chat up lines can do to a fan base. I wonder how bad it will have to get before people wake up and realise just how bad he is?

He had a team rack up our biggest PL total in his first season in charge, totally revolutionising the way we played.

I don't know, maybe you're hard to please or something, but I must admit to being seriously impressed - as the rest of the fan base was.....which is probably why even now the feller is getting a proportion of 3:1 backing him in a slump.

 

[Del]

Martinez has a couple of bad Windows trying to replace the old players and we could see ourselves in villa/Sunderland territory every season

Future is looking bleak

 

[Haston]

He absolutely should not be sacked! You can't just sack your manager after a dodgy spell of results/performances. His record last season has earned him the right to turn this around. January is very close, he has the opportunity to make changes! What's to say we won't have a very good second half to the season?

 

[marty mcfly]

Well personally I don't care what sub he makes, just so long as it isn't a sub that keeps us completely static like todays did - and I don't really want to talk about the southampton game anymore than we already have haha!

I just want to see things change about a bit, if the tactics and formation is not working for 70 minutes keeping things exactly the same probably isn't going to change anything either.

We did miss a chance or two today that should have been buried, but I really don't feel like we make any chances. It'd be different if I was looking back at todays game thinking damn, if the ref wasn't so bad, and we didn't hit the post twice and their keeper didn't make those blinding saves then we would've won and we deserved to. But as it is, I can hardly say we deserved to win today because we quite simply didn't.

I think that is the most disappointing thing for me.

At least today we sacrificed one DM. He's changing and adapting just really slowly like evolution.

 

[Abraders]

At least today we sacrificed one DM. He's changing and adapting just really slowly like evolution.

I'm sure if McCarthy wasn't just back from injury, or taking a knock he would've stayed the pitch though!

 

[marty mcfly]

Accepting mediocrity could also be seen as accepting that it is ok to give new managers the boot when we have a half a bad league season

That's why I said we need balance and I voted NO however our support can't be absolute. We need to see results and performances improve.

 

[marty mcfly]

I'm sure if McCarthy wasn't just back from injury, or taking a knock he would've stayed the pitch though!

Yea but he didn't replace him with Besic.

 

[Brennan]

I fully expect McGeady and Atsu to not be at this club come the end of January.

Huh ? He just joined in January.

 

[davek]

Dave, the deadwood is still there because of Martinez giving out contracts - Osman, Hibbert, Distin, Barry, McGeady and dare I say Howard and Robles. Not sure if that is all the deadwood you mean there may be other names.

Osman, hibbert and Distin and you can add Jagielka to those.

I agree with you mate. He made a massive error handing out extensions to clueless players like that. The good news is, anytime he acquires his nerve again, he can see them out the door or transfer list them. He has to build on youth and determined and talented outsiders now plus what can be salvaged from this first team.

I'm intrigued to see which way he goes. If he remains as conservative in the next 12 months as he has been since the start of this season I'll be right behind those trying to run him out of the club with pitchforks. But I have a feeling he'll turn it and come out trumps. He's very talented and I don't expect him to put up with this sh1te for too much longer, despite the mr. Nice Guy front.

 

[marty mcfly]

We support our team through thick and thin so support the manager the same. I was sick of a section of fans today seeming to lay all the blame at martinez. Yes he has made mistakes this season but too many players are underperforming. Not just 1 or 2. Stoke never had a shot 2nd half. I thought stones and alcaraz where great together and it may be a blessing in disguise that jags and howard are injured.

I like Stones and Alcaraz. I would even try Besic there. Jags and Distin are living on past glories but their inability on the ball is where our problems start.

 

[marty mcfly]

I think Sam Allerdyce is out of contract in the Summer.

Would prefer Pulis and don't want either.

Roberto will turn this around he just has a few tough decisions to make.

 

[Boss_Blue]

No.

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[BoysInBlue]

Very embarrassing that this question is even being asked.

You can't sack a manager because of one bad run, 7 months after he achieved the clubs biggest points tally for 27 years & most wins in a season for 27 years.

 

[ToffeeDan]

Let me say first of all I am absolutely opposed to the notion of sacking Roberto Martinez. What I do have to say is that some things aren't looking too good so far this season - we've been found out a few times, we've been (fairly) abject in a number of games, we've enjoyed almost no good fortune in quite a few games and we've had a number of key injuries (not just to the likes of, say, Distin or Osman) - I'm thinking:

Baines, Mirallas, Coleman, Barkley, McCarthy (and importantly for our more creative side: Pienaar), Naismith, Stones. I think, with the exception of Pienaar all those (seven) would be considered starters. We're badly in need of those players being at their best and they just aren't. I can't explain their injuries but it seems a few of them have been targeted in-play and that just isn't helping us get going. Today we weren't very good (at least not in the sense of breaking down a sh*thouse team that came to spoil, cheat, waste time and steal the points with a dubious penalty and just about nothing else of note for 90 minutes which is rather disappointing to say the least). With little or no inspiration from most of the key players mentioned above (many of whom were kicked from pillar to post from the kick off) it's difficult. I think we need a harder edge to our game. Other teams seem to have it - Besic has it (where was he today? Yet another one injured?).